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When ever I get AA in a big game I always think.. "oh dear - I could be going out here...." because I can NEVER resist going all in or calling anything that comes round.. lol. and at the end of the day it is still a bit of a coin toss.. You usually win it, but you can bomb out pretty easy too.... I'm sure the decent players just raise and re-raise cautiously... but in a Freeroll it's surely a shove!!! lol
Worst one for mew was on my birthday a few years ago.... I qualifies to the Sunday $1M thing - 1st and only time... I doubled up a few times with KK and QQ... I'd decided to just fold EVERYTHING and sit it out through the bubble to cash and up came AA. I thought... "oh dear!... OK It's my birthday I'm going to shove it.." lol - I got beat by KK who hit his King for trips.. I enjoyed the whole experience anyway, so that was cool.
I have been knocked out of tournies LOADS of times by shoving with aces- lol statistically it's going to happen alot I think. Anyone know the excact odds of winning or loosing with AA?
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I would take AA every hand lol sure if you have more than one call the odds are going down but HU odds are 80/20 if you loose 2 out of 10 is not to bad.
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Posted by pinotte: I would take AA every hand lol sure if you have more than one call the odds are going down but HU odds are 80/20 if you loose 2 out of 1 is not to bad.
I am sorry pinotte - I am new here and obviously a little ignorant about some stuff... What is HU?... and what do you mean by 'loosing 2 out of 1 is not too bad" I don't understand that at all - lol.
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HU means only one other player with you heads up. and i have corrected the 2 out of 1 to 2 out of 10 since the winning probabilities of AA 80% against one player.
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yea - I'm not sure exactly how it works, but if 9 hands have been dealt then it is more likely that someone has a good hand. Yea, you may end up going one on one with them, but you know he is likely to have something. If it's heads up then only 2 hands are being dealt and he could have anything. yea - alright, he could have anything anyway but not every hand - where as if you go one on one with someone different every hand you aren't heads up with them are you? You are going to be facing better hands more often... unless they are bluffing. Sorry, I'm not sure if that is clear, makes sense or is even correct. lol. I'm not great at the game so I wouldn't take what I say too seriously. lol.
If I am wrong I will humbly be corrected - - but surely if only one calls you 9 handed, then you might 'term' it that you are heads up with them, but it's not the same as being heads up with only 2 of you playing - he is more likely to have a good hand as he is the only one that has called from 8 other players.
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Posted by Drawacard: yea - I'm not sure exactly how it works, but if 9 hands have been dealt then it is more likely that someone has a good hand. Yea, you may end up going one on one with them, but you know he is likely to have something. If it's heads up then only 2 hands are being dealt and he could have anything. yea - alright, he could have anything anyway but not every hand - where as if you go one on one with someone different every hand you aren't heads up with them are you? You are going to be facing better hands more often... unless they are bluffing. Sorry, I'm not sure if that is clear, makes sense or is even correct. lol. I'm not great at the game so I wouldn't take what I say too seriously. lol.
If I am wrong I will humbly be corrected - - but surely if only one calls you 9 handed, then you might 'term' it that you are heads up with them, but it's not the same as being heads up with only 2 of you playing - he is more likely to have a good hand as he is the only one that has called from 8 other players.
Sorry, I'm waffling... I'll shut up now.
Don't they say " heads up to the flop" if there are 2 of you ? maybe i'm waffling too,i'll shut up as well.
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This has happened to me so many times over the years. Picture the scenario, you are in the big blind and you get dealt Pocket Aces{happy days!}, the player under the gun folds then the next then the next and so on, all down to the small blind to act and then he folds{noooooooo!!}. Gutted
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It happens some times, and when it does it is really bad. You are having a bad session with one bad card after another dealt, wishing for some good cards for a change. But your bad luck continues and everyone is folding, leaving you wonder what just happened
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For those that record their hands ans sessiosn they can clearly see that you win most of the times with monster hands
I guess that the most important thing is the moral factor of monsters hands and you tend to remember all the times when you lose with them against other weaker hands...
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Posted by mahdrof:
Posted by Macubaas: For those that record their hands ans sessiosn they can clearly see that you win most of the times with monster hands
Top pocket pairs are a very strong starting hand but you have to make sure you play them correctly, otherwise they are only that, a strong pair.
I do push probably too often... I'm learning and improving I think. Now I try to restrain myself if I am near the bubble and do not want to just end my Tourny by shoving it all in and watching my aces bomb... which I'm sure we've all been stung with now and again.... lol. If short stacked then sure... but again, depends what's going on. .. again... what do I know!?
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Lol mate it happens rarely but if you play a lot you will have selective memory and tends to think that it always happens and tend to play the AA differently , anyway you might have being beaten if you got called and thanks you did not lose money.
Like i always say do not lose money first then you can make money. Cheers have fun mate do you wonder how much times you folded and other players had AA? , You will never know so just play AA as you usually do and do not adjust because you think system is rigged!
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Posted by ddblt1970: If you are afraid of playing JJ+, you are doing something wrong.
If you could see your statistics you would see, that those hands made you the most chips/money.
I've been thinking about this... I had QQ today in the FT brm freeroll. I was in late pos and had a good chip stack of 20K+ 2 players of similar chip size had me covered shoved before me. I KNEW I should fold if I wanted to GUARANTEE my continuation in the game. I knew it was a coin toss (worse due to 2 other players)... I was going to fold.... but then I thought - heck - if I win the hand I go into top 5 and be in very good pos. I called, knowing I should not..... One had KJ (Why he went all in with this I do not know).. the other had A5...... The A5 hit his run by the river... I was not surprised or annoyed (other than a little bit annoyed at myself for making the call) as I knew when making the call that there was a good chance that I would be going out. The call was very dumb imo..... but I was tesating the ground... I hope I do not make such a blunder in the $200,000K game in a few weeks time.
I saw Victoria Coren fold JJ preflop after 3 betting and being raised all in by some dude who had KK... she read it well and folded. She made another really good read later in the game and folded Jacks again against a better hand. Obviously these monster hands make you the most money, as you said, but they also end your tournament life there and then if you come up against something else.. so you can't feel too bad about bombing out... even with Aces.
- but surely if only one calls you 9 handed, then you might 'term' it that you are heads up with them, but it's not the same as being heads up with only 2 of you playing - he is more likely to have a good hand as he is the only one that has called from 8 other players. 
