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  28-May-14, 17:07   #1
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IceQueenAce 
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I am on a roll!

***** Hand History for Game 13887826588 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $1 USD Buy-in Trny:109918182 Level:10 Blinds-Antes(200/400 -40) - Wednesday, May 28, 18:02:07 BST 2014
Table Deepstack (109918182) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 8/9
Seat 1: IceQueenAce ( 25,893 )
Seat 6: Retniev77 ( 14,315 )
Seat 8: RudiWumpe ( 3,735 )
Seat 3: cehu_x ( 4,378 )
Seat 4: depox ( 15,000 )
Seat 5: papo22 x ( 8,513 )
Seat 2: rihaly ( 18,632 )
Seat 9: ronanparker ( 21,515 )
Trny:109918182 Level:10
Blinds-Antes(200/400 -40)
IceQueenAce posts ante [40]
rihaly posts ante [40]
cehu_x posts ante [40]
depox posts ante [40]
papo22 x posts ante [40]
Retniev77 posts ante [40]
RudiWumpe posts ante [40]
ronanparker posts ante [40]
cehu_x posts small blind [200].
depox posts big blind [400].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to IceQueenAce [ 8s 8d ]
papo22 x calls [400]
Retniev77 folds
RudiWumpe folds
ronanparker raises [800]
IceQueenAce calls [800]
rihaly folds
cehu_x calls [600]
depox folds
papo22 x calls [400]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2h, 9h, Js ]
cehu_x checks
papo22 x checks
ronanparker bets [400]
IceQueenAce calls [400]
cehu_x folds
papo22 x folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
ronanparker bets [400]
IceQueenAce raises [2,960]
ronanparker calls [2,560]
** Dealing River ** [ 4d ]
ronanparker checks

My move?
Accept I lost a load of chips, or fire again?

8/41 in a mtt, playing for top 3 finish, top 27 pay

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(by losing a load of chips, I mean losing over 10% of my stack being a calling station fish)

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no-one? where is jess when you need him!

Edited by IceQueenAce (Wednesday, May 28, 2014 @ 19:58 GMT)


     
  28-May-14, 20:56   #2
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crash58 
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Since he checked, you could just check, if you bet he might shove, Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

     
  1-Jun-14, 17:58   #3
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IceQueenAce 
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bump!

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:11   #4
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uno1Bomber 

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Why did you raise? Confused

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:19   #5
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IceQueenAce 
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On the turn?

I felt he was weak and he would fold to a decent sized raise

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:20   #6
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uno1Bomber 

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Next move check/fold because he would call your bet if he called your previous raise. You can try to bluff and push all-in, but it's too risky. You lost at beginning when you decided to play 88.

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:21   #7
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IceQueenAce 
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you wouldn't call a min raise with 88?

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though yeah, my position is bad

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:22   #8
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uno1Bomber 

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Not from your position.

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:23   #9
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IceQueenAce 
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Posted by uno1Bomber:
Next move check/fold because he would call your bet if he called your previous raise. You can try to bluff and push all-in, but it's too risky. You lost at beginning when you decided to play 88.


I had position on him and he checked. I can check or raise, folding isn't an option.

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:25   #10
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uno1Bomber 

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Yes Smile Check is the best decision here. You have enough chips for the game, so don't take a risk, better try next time.

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:28   #11
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IceQueenAce 
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ok ty


     
  1-Jun-14, 18:34   #12
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uno1Bomber 

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yw

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:35   #13
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BeMyATMplz 
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Everything fine until the turn, no clue why anyone would argue the flatcall preflop.
On the turn you shouldn't have raised. You don't really achieve much by doing this. You neither get value from many worse hands on this board, nor do you get many better hands to fold (in a $1 tourney people will almost always call this raise with a 9 or a J, and there are also quite a few draws out there).
If you make plays always have a gameplan on why you do it and what you will do depending what villain does afterwards.

On the river it's an easy check behind because of reasons I already mentioned above.

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:37   #14
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Phisix 

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So is he betting weak on the flop and the turn because he is chasing a draw or just betting like an idiot? Tbh, if someone was betting weak I would try and steal as well.

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:39   #15
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BeMyATMplz 
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Posted by Phisix:
So is he betting weak on the flop and the turn because he is chasing a draw or just betting like an idiot? Tbh, if someone was betting weak I would try and steal as well.


Why would you try to steal if you think the villain's range is weaker than your hand?
Better call down the small bets and get extra value instead of trying to get weaker to fold.
Sometimes he might catch up on the river being lucky, but overall you'll always show profit with that longterm.

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:41   #16
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IceQueenAce 
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Posted by BeMyATMplz:

If you make plays always have a gameplan on why you do it and what you will do depending what villain does afterwards.



Oh I had a plan on what to do, I was pretty sure I could make him fold. I was very confident of that.

That said, I had a nagging feeling I did it all wrong, this thread seems to have confirmed it.

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Posted by Phisix:
So is he betting weak on the flop and the turn because he is chasing a draw or just betting like an idiot? Tbh, if someone was betting weak I would try and steal as well.


Yup. And you keep losing too Tongue

J/k, don't hate me!

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Posted by BeMyATMplz:

Why would you try to steal if you think the villain's range is weaker than your hand?
Better call down the small bets and get extra value instead of trying to get weaker to fold.
Sometimes he might catch up on the river being lucky, but overall you'll always show profit with that longterm.


And this is the crux of the problem.

I did think he was weak and I wanted him to fold.

But as you say, why would I want him to fold if I am ahead.

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:46   #17
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Phisix 

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Posted by BeMyATMplz:
Posted by Phisix:
So is he betting weak on the flop and the turn because he is chasing a draw or just betting like an idiot? Tbh, if someone was betting weak I would try and steal as well.


Why would you try to steal if you think the villain's range is weaker than your hand?
Better call down the small bets and get extra value instead of trying to get weaker to fold.
Sometimes he might catch up on the river being lucky, but overall you'll always show profit with that longterm.


Indeed. That is probably why I lose out on more value then I should get in those positions, but I have a fear of draw chasers as they usual hit against me. Good advice though.

@Ice:

Actually........

... Sad

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:49   #18
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IceQueenAce 
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hehe I wasn't being mean, honest.

I just meant, we all need to put more thought into why we do things.

this isn't a bad beat thread, its a genuine hand (I have deliberately not given the result, results change people's opinions of a hand. if I had my way, posting the final result of a hand when asking for advice would be banned!


     
  1-Jun-14, 18:49   #19
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BeMyATMplz 
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That's just a psychologic problem.
It's a problem many players have.
Our brain gets us more frustration about beats than excitement if we suck out on others, that's why we usually remember the times we get sucked out more often than the times we get lucky ourselves, then have a fear about receiving bad beats.

Sure it hurts getting bad beats, for me as well, but as long as we get beat by having done the ideal play, the way we play will always work out over the long run and gets us the most profit we can get.

     
  1-Jun-14, 18:55   #20
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Phisix 

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^ That is probably half my problem with certain things.

I definitely agree with that Ice. I especially need to put more thought into what I am doing or what is going around me while I play. That and stupid mistakes as well.

     
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