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  13-Sep-14, 13:21   #1
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Twistyoursou 

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Hello mobsters Big Smile I would like you to give your opinion on this hand, without taking into account the end result. If you can, just don't watch showdown. Thanks Big Smile

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/10781675_...

     
  13-Sep-14, 13:34   #2
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DDPascalDD 
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Netherlands
Age: 26 (M)
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Preflop is ok, the call at the flop is also profitable I think, but it depends on the player, at the flop/turn you should've thought: Is this a bluf or not? And again it depends on the player and your reads on him but I would recommend to fold at the turn, because king high is not high enough and it's not very likely you'll make your straight.

     
  13-Sep-14, 13:39   #3
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 51 (M)
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Fold preflop. Fold flop. Fold turn. Nice move at the river, trying to represent the flush, but it is unlikely that you get someone to fold a strong hand at that level. So just a waste of money in the long run.

     
  13-Sep-14, 13:42   #4
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Twistyoursou 

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Fold flop?! You can tell me wathever you want, i'm never folding flop here. How can you fold flop, I don't get it.



Thanks Pascal. I agree.

     
  13-Sep-14, 13:54   #5
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shokaku 

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Bet at the flop is quite high, giving you bad odds, you never know where you are, when you hit your straight with a card that also completes the flush, and you have not the draw to the highest straight. You also have only one over to the board as a backup.

     
  13-Sep-14, 14:04   #6
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Twistyoursou 

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So you would really fold the flop? Just like that?

     
  13-Sep-14, 14:09   #7
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 51 (M)
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Yes. We have only an open ender, our opponent most likely has made a hand, gives us bad odds, and some of our outs may be poisoned. We can only ponder to continue, if we are dead sure, he will stack off every single time we make our hand.

     
  13-Sep-14, 14:13   #8
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Twistyoursou 

Joined: Jan '14
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Well you definetly are better than me, so , thanks. Sorry if I seemed rude in my comment before, was definetly not my intention. I have a super lot to learn and some things kind of still blow my mind: D Thanks again Worship

     
  13-Sep-14, 14:29   #9
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DDPascalDD 
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Note on my previous post after reading and thinking about it again, I would fold too, but now because if you consider what will happen in the future... Then you should come up with something like: If I now call, chances are that he'll raise again on the flop.

If you understand why you should fold at the river, that's mainly because you get just one card, you should really fold at the flop already because you know that you will fold if you don't get your card on the turn, so you probably get also 1 card to hit your straight if you call.
Chances are to hit the straight (only realistic possibility to win this hand): about a little less than 20% of the time I think with the simple rule of two.

This will conclude a fold indeed.

The great lesson to learn here is IMO that you should think on what will probably happen in the future. If you already know what he's going to do, you will more often than not make a different and better decision. Thinking ahead is very important but also very hard, sometimes!

     
  13-Sep-14, 14:51   #10
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Skpmorita 
Joined: Feb '14
Location: Tunisia
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 2076
i learned this the wrong way , you can't bluff fish
they just don't know how to fold , i bet that he would have even called you with just a queen
he doesn't put the possibility that you might have a Full-house or a Flush .. Once they hit a hand , they think it is the nuts ..

     
  13-Sep-14, 15:13   #11
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jeffaboy 
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Netherlands
Age: 20 (M)
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With this hand i would have folded either on the flop or on the turn and i think the try on the river was a nice one but you will almost never get someone to fold a made hand at these stakes :X gl at the tables Cool Blink

     
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