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  16-Sep-14, 17:41   #1
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DDPascalDD 
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Based on this hand: http://www.boomplayer.com/nl/poker-hands/Boom/10836536_... I thought after folding the hand that if I'd shove him, he would probably fold wouldn't he?

I mean, if he min-raises he more often than not has a medium kinda hand, so he'll think he's far behind if I raise the max, right?

Would really like to hear your thoughts about this! Worship

Edited by DDPascalDD (Tuesday, September 16, 2014 @ 17:41 GMT)


     
  16-Sep-14, 17:47   #2
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shokaku 

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That may be an option if the opponent had a deeper stack. But in that hand he has less than 10 BB and put already two of those in the middle. A fold would be bad here, even more so, as it is a turbo.

     
  16-Sep-14, 17:56   #3
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Skpmorita 
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you are only playing 0.10$ , alot crazy play
he got a small stack so shove is a no no , b/c he will call with even 109s , thats how micro works
he only got 10 big blinds , i was surprised he didn't shove , he might be trying to induce a reraise
Fold is good play, i personally would just call one big blind to take a cheap look at the flop
if i hit something like straight flush Big Smile or i would just fold ,and i only lost 300 chips

     
  16-Sep-14, 18:02   #4
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DDPascalDD 
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Posted by Skpmorita:
you are only playing 0.10$ , alot crazy play
he got a small stack so shove is a no no , b/c he will call with even 109s , thats how micro works
he only got 10 big blinds , i was surprised he didn't shove , he might be trying to induce a reraise
Fold is good play, i personally would just call one big blind to take a cheap look at the flop
if i hit something like straight flush Big Smile or i would just fold ,and i only lost 300 chips


Well it was jut a thought and indeed he will maybe call. By the way there are less donks and fish than you think I guess reading your thoughts about these games.

     
  16-Sep-14, 18:49   #5
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Skpmorita 
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Posted by DDPascalDD:
Well it was jut a thought and indeed he will maybe call. By the way there are less donks and fish than you think I guess reading your thoughts about these games.


i know these SNG consist of good and bad players
after few levels , the game gets alot better
but it is always smart to play cautious
b/c of the small buy-in , some of players are careless , they would gamble a little bit more and that is scary

     
  16-Sep-14, 19:31   #6
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jeffaboy 
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Would not do that right there man , he is undeep and your hand does not really beat anything if he calls unless you lucky spike there Cool Big Smile

     
  16-Sep-14, 23:21   #7
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mgabesz 
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Yes, if a player is under 10BB or so he/she has to know that it is almost no chance left best decision is to go all-in not totally blind of course but with more or less every hand that better then worst 7-2 or so. Every connectors, aces, kings are nice.

     
  16-Sep-14, 23:54   #8
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yout85 
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Very unlikely he would have folded - as others have said, his raise, although the min, did pot-commit him.

I would've called the min raise and open shoved if I hit either an 8, a 4 or a flush draw, and checked to induce a shove if I hit either trip 8s, trip 4s, 567 or flopped a flush.

The benefits of playing it this way are if you catch a piece and shove, he would likely call with 2 overs and you would be favourite, he would call with an over pair, and you would have outs... or he may even just fold if he misses all together - it gives you the most possible ways of winning the hand.

     
  17-Sep-14, 00:39   #9
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tonespoker 
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Posted by shokaku:
That may be an option if the opponent had a deeper stack. But in that hand he has less than 10 BB and put already two of those in the middle. A fold would be bad here, even more so, as it is a turbo.


You definately aren't deep enough to try too squeeze him out. I play alot of turbos as well, and I've seen people min raise with 5BB and fold to a shove, so he COULD fold, but it's too risky to get it in with 8 high. Chances are he does have a mediocre hand and is raising because 'well if im going to play j10 off with 10BB I should probably min raise', but he could want to gamble.

A lot of micro players aren't thinking players, and they will probably call you with a marginal hand with only 10BB behind. You could face a situation where you are completely dominated, but 3-betting another 6BB when you are both 60BB deep could be a good play, and if they call, s**t son you almost got suited connectors Big Smile

I like your thinking but the timing wasn't very good, maybe in 25c 45 players NON turbo you could try it.

     
  17-Sep-14, 06:24   #10
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BeMyATMplz 
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Nice thinking process pascal.
However, the situation isn't very suitable sinxe villain is too short.
If he had pike 12BB effective stack the situation would be good to shove.
And it doesn't matter if its a turbo or non turbo, the specific situation is what matters, so dont listen to that.

     
  17-Sep-14, 08:28   #11
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yout85 
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Posted by yout85:
Very unlikely he would have folded - as others have said, his raise, although the min, did pot-commit him.

I would've called the min raise and open shoved if I hit either an 8, a 4 or a flush draw, and checked to induce a shove if I hit either trip 8s, trip 4s, 567 or flopped a flush.

The benefits of playing it this way are if you catch a piece and shove, he would likely call with 2 overs and you would be favourite, he would call with an over pair, and you would have outs... or he may even just fold if he misses all together - it gives you the most possible ways of winning the hand.


BeMyATMplz... I'd be interested to know if you agree with my way of playing or not...

     
  17-Sep-14, 19:11   #12
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BeMyATMplz 
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Yeah we could play fit-or-fold I guess, I couldn't in my games but in a $0.10 we dont have to balance our range or stuff like that, and we get great odds.
It all depends on villains tendencies though, like if he is aggro then we should play check to him instead of shoving ourselves. Also depends on flop texture. Obviously a flop like 9/8/2 is better than a flop like A/Q/8.
So I don't think we should make a general rule about how to proceed, especially postflop it's very hard to do so because it depends on just too many factors that we're not aware of

     
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