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  18-Sep-14, 05:37   #1
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uno1Bomber 

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Played very tight and good, reached final table, 6 players left, 5 places paid, I was on second place with good stack and...

Re-raised All-in with Q2os vs chip leader Aww crap!
He shoves TT and kicked me out on the bubble. Sad
Can't explain to myself why did I do that. That's was really stupid

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Probably need a break.

Edited by uno1Bomber (Thursday, September 18, 2014 @ 05:43 GMT)


     
  18-Sep-14, 06:07   #2
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shokaku 

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Yep. Bad move against the chip leader. Against other players, with a smaller stack, it may have worked. Any history with that guy, that lead to your play in that hand? Fed up with his raises?

     
  18-Sep-14, 06:16   #3
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Phisix 

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I would have folded that hand every day of the week, even if you thought he was bluffing with crap. Why risk potential money with a crappy hand like what, especially when you were second?

What did you learn?

     
  18-Sep-14, 10:18   #4
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pochui 

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can't make up my mind on the poll... so many options to choose from... hmmm maybe i should pick "yes", but then again option "yes" sounds so tempting. decisions decisions, why it's always so hard to pick one true and correct one?
probably you though you are pro enough to make this move... dammed television poker it makes so many of us true poker pro's

     
  18-Sep-14, 15:35   #5
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yout85 
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I guess you did it for the same reason that everyone does something they KNOW they shouldn't do....

You thought you'd get away with it.

     
  18-Sep-14, 15:57   #6
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DDPascalDD 
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Posted by yout85:
I guess you did it for the same reason that everyone does something they KNOW they shouldn't do....

You thought you'd get away with it.

That can be a very big problem, I just always trie to avoid those things, as it costs a lot of money!

     
  18-Sep-14, 17:00   #7
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Heskor 
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haa yeah you an idiot it was a stupid move and as soon as i saw you called Q2oagainst suit leader i know that i would have to tell you that it was a bad move!! You could have folded to the bubble as you have a 2nd size stack and after the bubble go for the smaller and medium stacks should have been a piece of cake, anyway good luck at the poker and next time don't do it as you know it is a bad move now lol, but sometimes we do have some brain farts and we do stupid things lol

     
  18-Sep-14, 18:31   #8
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BeMyATMplz 
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There are situations where this scenario would be a good play. Just depends on some factors.

     
  19-Sep-14, 09:29   #9
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LIKEIT27 
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Stop voting its even now Big Smile

     
  19-Sep-14, 15:33   #10
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uno1Bomber 

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Posted by shokaku:
Yep. Bad move against the chip leader. Against other players, with a smaller stack, it may have worked. Any history with that guy, that lead to your play in that hand? Fed up with his raises?

He's regular SnG player and I has stats on him which makes my move even worse. He's very aggressive player (AF 15, PFR 25 and WSD 37%). I know him and I think he knows me too. All other players were very passive and I was the only one who could scare him. He did'n 3bet against me, but always pushed away the others.
I know I made a mistake, I didn't think too much when I did that. Also I was tired and didn't sleep all night.
Posted by yout85:
I guess you did it for the same reason that everyone does something they KNOW they shouldn't do....

You thought you'd get away with it.

Yup Sad

     
  19-Sep-14, 16:21   #11
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Mober 
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I think it is obvious you made a bad move there. You had a great position and you went and did
that move. Probably for a moment thought you could bluff him.
If you were succesful though you would be bragging about it. Smile

     
  19-Sep-14, 16:34   #12
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BeMyATMplz 
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Posted by uno1Bomber:

He's regular SnG player and I has stats on him which makes my move even worse. He's very aggressive player (AF 15, PFR 25 and WSD 37%).


This is a HUGE misthinking.
There are 2 different forms of agression - the fishy aggression (e.g. if a player plays 50/40 stats or something like that) or a good kind of agression, meaning they dont spew but are very agressive at the right spots.
If the 2nd applies to this guy (which is likely seeing you said he's a Reg) then this makes the move MUCH better than vs. any other player type.
Reason for this being that if he's good, and knows you are moderately tight, he will be able to openraise any2 profitably in this spot, however his calling range will be pretty tight on the other hand (a very large potion of his hands that he opens he will fold to a 3bet).

It would be much easier to give correct advise if you could post the HH (I don't care if in form of "boom" or in text form), but saying that we should have folded the hand, without knowing the situation (stacksizes), is pretty bad advice. There are really quite a few spots with the information you shares so far where a push would be +EV.

     
  19-Sep-14, 18:48   #13
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uno1Bomber 

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Poker Stars $3.11+$0.39 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG: t1330 8.87 BBs
MP: t1425 9.50 BBs
CO: t8845 58.97 BBs
Hero (BTN): t6895 45.97 BBs
SB: t3150 21 BBs
BB: t3221 21.47 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BTN with Q 2
2 folds, CO raises to t750, Hero raises to t6895 all in, 2 folds, CO calls t6145

Flop: (t14015) J 9 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t14015) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t14015) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t14015
CO shows T T (one pair, Tens)
Hero shows Q 2 (high card, King)
CO wins t13790
(Rake: t225)

     
  19-Sep-14, 20:52   #14
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magatt966 

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Posted by LIKEIT27:
Stop voting its even now Big Smile


I'd like to vote for yes but really concerned about which one.

@Uno1Bomber
yes you made a bad move ( at least with bad timing) but consider it as some more poker experience to take in consideration from now on.
Just move on ...wish you good luck mate

     
  20-Sep-14, 02:23   #15
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demodawggy 

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No,...you are CERTAINLY not an idiot,...you're just Russian,...that's all,...nothing you can't deal with...!

It's you're gene pool in combination with the Russian psyche... Big Smile

I know these things,...I have family over in that region...!

Here,...check THIS out,... I shove 10 3,..Textbook Russian...!

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/10880059_...

     
  20-Sep-14, 06:15   #16
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BeMyATMplz 
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Posted by uno1Bomber:
Poker Stars $3.11+$0.39 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG: t1330 8.87 BBs
MP: t1425 9.50 BBs
CO: t8845 58.97 BBs
Hero (BTN): t6895 45.97 BBs
SB: t3150 21 BBs
BB: t3221 21.47 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BTN with Q 2
2 folds, CO raises to t750, Hero raises to t6895 all in, 2 folds, CO calls t6145

Flop: (t14015) J 9 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t14015) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t14015) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t14015
CO shows T T (one pair, Tens)
Hero shows Q 2 (high card, King)
CO wins t13790
(Rake: t225)


What format is this? And this is seemingly not the Final Table, the chip stacks are uneven (when added together).
As for the hand, yup this is a clear fold, mainly because of his 5x raise preflop (that is why it's important to provide full HHs).
If he was indeed an aggro reg, and would only have minraised, I would 3bet to about 775. However for these effective stacksizes don't ever just shove, a normal 3bet will often create the same fold equity as a shove.

     
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