Joined: May '08
Age: 33 (M)
can't make up my mind on the poll... so many options to choose from... hmmm maybe i should pick "yes", but then again option "yes" sounds so tempting. decisions decisions, why it's always so hard to pick one true and correct one? probably you though you are pro enough to make this move... dammed television poker it makes so many of us true poker pro's
Joined: May '13
Age: 27 (M)
haa yeah you an idiot it was a stupid move and as soon as i saw you called Q2oagainst suit leader i know that i would have to tell you that it was a bad move!! You could have folded to the bubble as you have a 2nd size stack and after the bubble go for the smaller and medium stacks should have been a piece of cake, anyway good luck at the poker and next time don't do it as you know it is a bad move now lol, but sometimes we do have some brain farts and we do stupid things lol
Posted by shokaku: Yep. Bad move against the chip leader. Against other players, with a smaller stack, it may have worked. Any history with that guy, that lead to your play in that hand? Fed up with his raises?
He's regular SnG player and I has stats on him which makes my move even worse. He's very aggressive player (AF 15, PFR 25 and WSD 37%). I know him and I think he knows me too. All other players were very passive and I was the only one who could scare him. He did'n 3bet against me, but always pushed away the others. I know I made a mistake, I didn't think too much when I did that. Also I was tired and didn't sleep all night.
Posted by yout85: I guess you did it for the same reason that everyone does something they KNOW they shouldn't do....
Joined: Mar '09
Age: 41 (F)
I think it is obvious you made a bad move there. You had a great position and you went and did that move. Probably for a moment thought you could bluff him. If you were succesful though you would be bragging about it.
Joined: Feb '11
Age: 25 (M)
Posted by uno1Bomber:
He's regular SnG player and I has stats on him which makes my move even worse. He's very aggressive player (AF 15, PFR 25 and WSD 37%).
This is a HUGE misthinking. There are 2 different forms of agression - the fishy aggression (e.g. if a player plays 50/40 stats or something like that) or a good kind of agression, meaning they dont spew but are very agressive at the right spots. If the 2nd applies to this guy (which is likely seeing you said he's a Reg) then this makes the move MUCH better than vs. any other player type. Reason for this being that if he's good, and knows you are moderately tight, he will be able to openraise any2 profitably in this spot, however his calling range will be pretty tight on the other hand (a very large potion of his hands that he opens he will fold to a 3bet).
It would be much easier to give correct advise if you could post the HH (I don't care if in form of "boom" or in text form), but saying that we should have folded the hand, without knowing the situation (stacksizes), is pretty bad advice. There are really quite a few spots with the information you shares so far where a push would be +EV.
Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BTN with Q 2 2 folds, CO raises to t750, Hero raises to t6895 all in, 2 folds, CO calls t6145
Flop: (t14015) J 9 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)
Turn: (t14015) K (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: (t14015) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: t14015 CO shows T T (one pair, Tens) Hero shows Q 2 (high card, King) CO wins t13790 (Rake: t225)
What format is this? And this is seemingly not the Final Table, the chip stacks are uneven (when added together). As for the hand, yup this is a clear fold, mainly because of his 5x raise preflop (that is why it's important to provide full HHs). If he was indeed an aggro reg, and would only have minraised, I would 3bet to about 775. However for these effective stacksizes don't ever just shove, a normal 3bet will often create the same fold equity as a shove.