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I don't think you should have 'outted' yourself on this forum. You may be too young to understand concepts like this (sorry, couldn't resist a little condescension ) - joking - but seriously, think about the position you put the forum administrators in; they're running a gambling website.
You've really given them no choice but to ban you now, unless they just decide to turn a blind eye to this thread.. but if the thread gets bumped too much / gets too much attention, then BRM have no choice.
It's not about what is fair or anything else, or a personal attack on you; but BRM would get an awful reputation for knowingly enabling under-age gambling. It would be like walking into a bar when you're under-age, getting served drinks, then announcing to everyone in the building that you're under age and that you hope they let you stay any way and appreciate your honesty.
All you've done is put BRM between a rock and a hard place; either they enable a minor to continue to engage in gambling activities on their web site - or they ban an active forum member for being honest.
I really don't understand why you created this thread.
Also, take it from someone who moved out of home at 15 and was taking drugs at your age and had a gambling addiction by age 16 or 17, you really shouldn't be gambling at 14.
I'm not being an a*****e or anything and I understand that I'm being a hypocrit. But I am 30 now and believe me, your ability to control your self-discipline greatly improves as you become an adult, as a teenager, you're far far more vulnerable to forming hard-wired addictive traits from this kind of behaviour. If you develop a serious addiction to gambling now (I'm not saying that you have, but IF you do), it will be seriously ingrained into your behavioural patterns and it will be an absolute nightmare to try and shake it off later in life, when you've known it as part of yourself for so long and from an extremely 'formative' time in your life.
Take it from someone who has first hand experience of making incredibly poor life-decisions at a young age.
Also - have you ever withdrawn cash from a poker site? You may have trouble if you've signed under your own name. 95% of sites will require quite a bit of age/identity verification before allowing you to sign out.
*IF* you do happen to amount a decent cash and want to withdraw it, I would seriously consider transferring to another player you trust and have them withdraw for you. There was a kid, going back a few years, who won a major tournament on Stars (like - a HUGE amount of money) and he was found to be under-age, Stars seized it and he lost it all, never got it back. Though, to 'Stars credit - it got donated to charity.
As others have said - come back to this when you're an adult - there's other stuff that should be on your mind at 14 - go out and get laid, study, party, have some fun and don't get messed up in gambling when you're only 14 - it can lead you down a seriously dark path and I only wish I could truly get you to appreciate the truth of this, I know - as all adults do (because we were teenagers once too)- there is really no way of getting someone who is 14 to comprehend the reality of of these things on the same level someone who is (20 even) 25+ can comprehend it on.
Anyway, I wish you all the best, but since you asked for all these opinions, I do hope you actually take on board what people have said - just remember, you created this thread and asked for the responses. Think very carefully about what you do next.
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BRM are not culpable for anything... I believe you have to upload ID on here before getting any NDB's right? If so, Pascal must have used fake ID or I don't know how else he would've done it.
There is also something you have to tick declaring that all information is correct - BRM will not end up in any trouble, though now they know you'll almost certainly have to be banned....
As for the other side of it - BeMyATMplz has CLEARLY done nothing wrong. It's ridiculous to suggest he has.
As for the poker sites banning him... Why has no one mentioned Annette Oberstad??? (sp?)
At the age of 18 or 19, she became a sponsored pro on PokerStars, and had been playing for years before under the same name.... They obviously knew, and did nothing.
------------ Also like to point out that I don't think any less of Pascal because of this... as I've said on other threads, things that have nothing to do with me will never affect my judgement about someone.
Though saying this... I still expect you to be banned from BRM... And maybe even from Stars and the other sites, even with the Annette Oberstad situation - I wouldn't put it past PokerStars to be that hypocritical. If they do ban you... maybe a short email asking why they haven't banned Oberstad too might get an interesting response
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I just thought, after a harsh condemnation, I may play the devils advocate too; whilst I do think creating this thread has put BRM in an unfair position and I don't think it was ethically the correct thing to do, being honest, in this particular case.
Anyway - to give a different perspective. If we are to give you credit for being disciplined and not having an addictive personality - you are putting yourself in an excellent position to become a fantastic poker player when you do come of age.
When you think about other skilled / talented pursuits - it is often the people who took things up at a young age, that become the masters of the game. Musical instruments, sports, games of mental abilities (like chess) - all these things lend a huge advantage to those who took up learning at a young age.
When you start learning a skill while your mind is still developing, well then you're able (via neural plasticity) to quite literally form the pathways in your brain to become a truly great player.
So - whilst I stand by my words of caution; it is easy to lose control of a gambling habit, IF you are able to stay in control and never form a harmful relationship with gambling and your interest in the game doesn't give way as you get older..
Well then, by the time you're 18, you may be a truly fantastic and gifted player.
That said - a lot of people took up poker (with or without gambling) at an early age.. My dad has a gambling streak in him and I learned the game (poker) when I was probably only 6 or 7. This was well before the 'poker boom' and I certainly never took a more serious interest in it until much later in life. But a lot of folks have grown up playing card games, including poker, well before they turned 18. And whilst gambling may be illegal for a minor; playing poker certainly isn't - just look at poker on Facebook - a huge amount of minors play there, legally.
But by playing in real games - you'll certainly learn the game far better than those who learn playing rubbish games like facebookpoker.
Anyway, like I said already - I wish you all the best and just think really clearly about where you go from here.
If you've ever spent money you shouldn't have, on gambling, then I suggest you try and stay away. But if you honestly believe you're not at risk of forming a gambling habit, well then - I guess you should carry on and just be wary and never create another thread like this, ever again.
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I have read many posts from pascal and I was quite surprised to see he was only 14.I don't know if he has already been banned,he seemed like a decent guy and I doubt he had any malice in his mind when he took bonuses,etc but unfortunately the rules are pretty simple when it comes to gambling underage. The way this post has gone from a simple admission from pascal to mobsters criticising each other shows just some of the results of someone breaking the rules without realising the consequences.Hopefully this has not gone too far and luckily it seems no one has lost money staking,it would have been a disaster if ATM had staked Pascal and then he won big and had it all taken away. If you are reading this Pascal then I am sure you are intelligent enough to realise your mistakes and you can still find a way to learn and progress with poker but in a legal way.Good luck.
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Still able to comment!
I read all of every post obv. altough it was a lot and I want to make one thing clear which I have said before: In my entire life, I have NEVER done ANYTHING with money depositing and withdrawing! This is because I don't want to waste money on a site if it will maybe be cleared because they find out my age or anything. I too NEVER done ANYTHING with fake accounts.
And again I don't understand why you all say it again and again but I DO enjoy life and all of it's aspects, I play poker just about 10 hours a week I think (including BRM things and reading some articles). It's just a hobby now and it will never turn into an addiction! It's just that I like this game so much and that it's possible to make some money (in the furure). Why shouldn't I play it ever until I'm 18?
Don't get me wrong, I understand that I shouldn't waste the best years of my life with gambling.
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Posted by DDPascalDD: Still able to comment!
I read all of every post obv. altough it was a lot and I want to make one thing clear which I have said before: In my entire life, I have NEVER done ANYTHING with money depositing and withdrawing! This is because I don't want to waste money on a site if it will maybe be cleared because they find out my age or anything. I too NEVER done ANYTHING with fake accounts.
And again I don't understand why you all say it again and again but I DO enjoy life and all of it's aspects, I play poker just about 10 hours a week I think (including BRM things and reading some articles). It's just a hobby now and it will never turn into an addiction! It's just that I like this game so much and that it's possible to make some money (in the furure). Why shouldn't I play it ever until I'm 18?
Don't get me wrong, I understand that I shouldn't waste the best years of my life with gambling.
If you're good, poker is not gambling.... and if you're winning, it's not an addiction. It's a money making activity.
I too played poker from a very young age - I just didn't register on any poker related sites claiming to be older than I was - this is the only problem here IMO.
But again, at the risk of repeating myself... not MY problem. Nothing to do with me.... don't feel cheated or misled by you, don't dislike you or anything like that...
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Hey Pascal,I don't think anyone is saying you can't play poker again,you just can't gamble legally until you are 18.It seems unfair when there are lots of stupid 18 year olds and very clever 14 year olds but not much you can do about your age. If you think you can make money maybe you can coach/advise an 18 year old friend and that way you can still be involved with poker without breaking the rules.
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Posted by klash23: Hey Pascal,I don't think anyone is saying you can't play poker again,you just can't gamble legally until you are 18.It seems unfair when there are lots of stupid 18 year olds and very clever 14 year olds but not much you can do about your age. If you think you can make money maybe you can coach/advise an 18 year old friend and that way you can still be involved with poker without breaking the rules.
You're right on that. The problem is that I don't know anybody above 18 wanting to be coached. Maybe any of you guys?
------------ got a mail from pokerstars security...
Written by PokerStars Security Team
Hello Pascal,
We have recently identified that you may be under 18 years of age. Since the minimum age requirement to play on PokerStars is 18 years of age, we are required by our regulators to verify any such claim. We have therefore, frozen your account pending provision of proof of your age.
We kindly ask you to provide us with:
- A clear copy of your government-issued photo ID (e.g. Passport, Driving License or Citizen-Card)
Please scan the above requested document and send by email as an attachment to: [email protected]
So what am I gonna do now?
Edited by DDPascalDD (01 October 2014 @ 16:14 GMT)
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Pokerstars security were quick!!! Not much you can do.Either tell them the truth,ignore it,you know you won't be using that account again so not really sure what you can do.
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Did you just get that? How long have you had your account for? Have you admitted your age on any other poker forums? Have you ever mentioned your age in the chat at the 'stars tables?
Seems to me that someone has lagged you in.. either you were silly enough to mention your age on the site itself, in which case - ANYONE you ever won a hand against could have lagged you in, possibly in the believe they'll be refunded because they lost to an illegitimate account.
Otherwise - someone on BRM dobbed you in.
Either way, that sucks mate, lucky you never deposited.
IMHO - if you're going to continue to play online poker, on real (cash) sites, but without depositing, then do it under a fake name, that way - when you *DO* turn 18, you can register a new account, on the same site and you won't be banned.
The reason I say this, is because if you play on a site now, under your real name and then 4 years later you finally send in ID verification and they realise that you had been playing illegally for 4 years, rather than grant you security clearance for withdrawals, that may just seize your account and ban you from the site.
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Going back to page 1/2, when I made the comment about BeMyATMplz, I was clearly joking. I thought it was hilarious and laughed so much a little bit of wee came out..
Now, on reading replies it doesn't seem so funny.
Apologies mate, no harm intended
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Posted by pinotte:
My english is not very good but its not the shyping a 14 year old boy its the reason of the skyping was for coaching a 14 year old to play poker.As a teacher would you???????????
I wouldn't in a million years no.
That said, I WILL teach my daughter how to play, I will encourage her to play for small stakes in friendly games at home but would under no circumstances allow her to play online until she was legally able.
Rules are there to protect minors. At 14, she would be going through a period of learning how to be an adult. I don't believe at that age she would be old enough to make the decision to play/not play, properly.
But she will be introduced to it in the same way I will introduce her to alcohol etc, in a safe calm environment where she can be free to make mistakes in a safe way, allowing her to be able to make educated decisions when she is old enough
Edited by IceQueenAce (01 October 2014 @ 17:17 GMT)
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I just get the message, I've had my account there for around 2 years I guess or maybe less. I don't know how they found out, I never said a thing but here now so it must be a mobber!
What I don't understand is if I now would make an account as you said and if I am 18 and I send my ID, then I got an ID which says 18 and my account says 22 at least. Or don't they care about it then?
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Posted by DDPascalDD: I just get the message, I've had my account there for around 2 years I guess or maybe less. I don't know how they found out, I never said a thing but here now so it must be a mobber!
What I don't understand is if I now would make an account as you said and if I am 18 and I send my ID, then I got an ID which says 18 and my account says 22 at least. Or don't they care about it then?
it's easy how they found out, someone from this forum, member or admin read this thread and sent an email to pokerstars, it's prob gonna happen at all your pokersites that you play at.
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I suppose there is an outside chance that Stars have a 'rep' here.. They're a huge company and they *DO* pay people to do PR work on Internet forums (to have a presence across the online poker community). BRM is one of the leading No Deposit Sites.
It's entirely possible someone who works for Stars came across this thread.
Otherwise, have you ever had a falling out with someone on this site? Seems like an incredibly petty thing for someone to do to you!
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There are quite a few people I can think of here that reported you (and its pretty easy to see based on comments), and then there are so many lurkers on the forum that will feel important if they can report a 14 year old guy .. However, like I said, I think irs for the better for you. Admit your mistake to them and your account will be reopened when you turn 18. I also cant think of any site that never does these checks.
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well Pascal it was nice knowing you. see ya later. just don't forget to send pm's to your friends and regular mobbits with you new stars account name and new brm nick.
moral to the story- never say that you are under-aged, better say that you are an old grumpy dude who lied about his young age, and you secret obsession is foot fetishism...
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Posted by pochui: well Pascal it was nice knowing you. see ya later. just don't forget to send pm's to your friends and regular mobbits with you new stars account name and new brm nick.
moral to the story- never say that you are under-aged, better say that you are an old grumpy dude who lied about his young age, and you secret obsession is foot fetishism...
Says the 70 year old foot fetishist "pochui".... if that is your real name
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: There are quite a few people I can think of here that reported you (and its pretty easy to see based on comments), and then there are so many lurkers on the forum that will feel important if they can report a 14 year old guy .. However, like I said, I think irs for the better for you. Admit your mistake to them and your account will be reopened when you turn 18. I also cant think of any site that never does these checks.
so they close my account, then I have to make a new false one (or not?) and send my then earned money to my reopened account?
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Posted by pochui: well Pascal it was nice knowing you. see ya later. just don't forget to send pm's to your friends and regular mobbits with you new stars account name and new brm nick.
moral to the story- never say that you are under-aged, better say that you are an old grumpy dude who lied about his young age, and you secret obsession is foot fetishism...
) - joking - but seriously, think about the position you put the forum administrators in; they're running a gambling website. 
and I want to make one thing clear which I have said before:
