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  8-Oct-14, 15:02   #1
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Phisix 

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Apart from the obvious nut's slow playing; when is it viable to slow play? I am always slow played by people who say have AK or stuff like that but when I do it I always come undone usual to someone slow playing a set to me, two pairs ect. I see it quite a lot but I always seem to fail one way or another. Obviously with draws it seems to be bad but people still manage to pull it off whereas they always hit something so I never do it with draws usually.

Discussion, tips or advice would be appreciated.

Edited by Phisix (Wednesday, October 08, 2014 @ 15:04 GMT)


     
  8-Oct-14, 15:10   #2
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yout85 
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As a general rule, you should slow play anything where you WANT your opponent to improve as you are so far in front, or if there are no major scare cards... ie, there is not one particular (or multiple) card(s) that could come on the turn that would make you think you were behind....

Then I suppose, for example, As Ac on a board of 3s 7s 9s Ah.... If the board pairs, you're fine, if a spade comes, you're fine... so worth letting them catch a piece of something they may call with.


I rarely slow play - just not my style... only if I flop quads or a full house. Flopped flushes and straights are risky to slowplay... 2 pair is incredibly risky to slowplay...

     
  8-Oct-14, 15:12   #3
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shokaku 

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If you have problems slow playing, just don't do it. A lot of the time it is better to simply bet into people, as their biggest weakness is to call to lightly anyway. So no need for fancy plays.

     
  8-Oct-14, 15:18   #4
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Phisix 

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I rarely slow play to be honest just times when things look alright and I need some more chips in a tournament as every one plays too tight ect. Draws and bad boards I won't of course but my luck for these things apart from when I have the nuts is shocking. It's most probably telling me I should not but I see a lot of people do it and it always seems viable for those.

     
  8-Oct-14, 15:57   #5
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DDPascalDD 
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Yeah, that can be very irritating!

posted by: yout85
Then I suppose, for example, As Ac on a board of 3s 7s 9s Ah.... If the board pairs, you're fine, if a spade comes, you're fine...


If the board paires he could have a set right? then you're not fine! ie if villain holds A9 (maybe even 7), that's really possible.
Those flops are very rare, I think, where there are no real scare cards.
Try to analyze when their slowplay works. And when you're playing like TAG then slowplay won't work as often as it's got to be. It's a very weird move by calling his bet twice, he'll notice (depends on level also) very often, a calling station can slow play very often. But though I think it's not worth changing your play to be able to slowplay more.

     
  8-Oct-14, 16:19   #6
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vsemoje 
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Posted by DDPascalDD:
Yeah, that can be very irritating!

posted by: yout85
Then I suppose, for example, As Ac on a board of 3s 7s 9s Ah.... If the board pairs, you're fine, if a spade comes, you're fine...


If the board paires he could have a set right? then you're not fine! ie if villain holds A9 (maybe even 7), that's really possible.
Those flops are very rare, I think, where there are no real scare cards.
Try to analyze when their slowplay works. And when you're playing like TAG then slowplay won't work as often as it's got to be. It's a very weird move by calling his bet twice, he'll notice (depends on level also) very often, a calling station can slow play very often. But though I think it's not worth changing your play to be able to slowplay more.



if board pairs he can have trips and u have full house Big Smile

     
  8-Oct-14, 16:19   #7
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pinotte 
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Slow play is a very dangerous giving free or cheap cards to your opponents is the better way to loose the hand unless you are very lucky.For sure if you flop a quad,full,nut flush without possibility of str.flush then you have to slow play cause your hand is obvious.I sometime will go for check raise but never give cheap cards.

     
  8-Oct-14, 16:39   #8
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DDPascalDD 
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Posted by vsemoje:
Posted by DDPascalDD:
Yeah, that can be very irritating!

posted by: yout85
Then I suppose, for example, As Ac on a board of 3s 7s 9s Ah.... If the board pairs, you're fine, if a spade comes, you're fine...


If the board paires he could have a set right? then you're not fine! ie if villain holds A9 (maybe even 7), that's really possible.
Those flops are very rare, I think, where there are no real scare cards.
Try to analyze when their slowplay works. And when you're playing like TAG then slowplay won't work as often as it's got to be. It's a very weird move by calling his bet twice, he'll notice (depends on level also) very often, a calling station can slow play very often. But though I think it's not worth changing your play to be able to slowplay more.



if board pairs he can have trips and u have full house Big Smile


Didn't saw Ah as Ace of hearts but as in aaaahhh... or something. I already thiught it was very weird! Big Smile

     
  8-Oct-14, 16:54   #9
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Mober 
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I have stopped slow playing high pocket pairs. I was losing most of the times by slow playing,
so i had to change my style. Although there are quite a few times where no one calls your all in
and you only get the blinds. That of course is not a problem at later stages where
the big blinds are big.

     
  8-Oct-14, 17:26   #10
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Heskor 
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Slow play is meant for playing good hands that have hit and not playing the draws for straight or flush if you do not have the best hand then you are not slow playing , you are drawing most likely and do not meet the definition of slow playing in poker terms, anyway got slow rolled a few times by players and gone nuts in the next few hands and lost a lot of money like that so now when i get slow rolled i just laugh and go on with my game. Cheers good luck at the table!

     
  8-Oct-14, 19:36   #11
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teddybears73 
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Posted by DDPascalDD:
Posted by vsemoje:
Posted by DDPascalDD:
Yeah, that can be very irritating!

posted by: yout85
Then I suppose, for example, As Ac on a board of 3s 7s 9s Ah.... If the board pairs, you're fine, if a spade comes, you're fine...



If the board paires he could have a set right? then you're not fine! ie if villain holds A9 (maybe even 7), that's really possible.
Those flops are very rare, I think, where there are no real scare cards.
Try to analyze when their slowplay works. And when you're playing like TAG then slowplay won't work as often as it's got to be. It's a very weird move by calling his bet twice, he'll notice (depends on level also) very often, a calling station can slow play very often. But though I think it's not worth changing your play to be able to slowplay more.



if board pairs he can have trips and u have full house Big Smile


Didn't saw Ah as Ace of hearts but as in aaaahhh... or something. I already thiught it was very weird! Big Smile




If the board pairs he/she could have quads though.
Big Smile

     
  8-Oct-14, 20:53   #12
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damosk 
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I think you need to analyse your game a little more closely. I think that if you did then you may find that this scenario doesn't happen as often as you think and that perhaps you are slow playing when you aren't far enough ahead or indeed, being ahead, the other player gets a board that is unusually beneficial to them as opposed to you and the averages will work out eventually.

     
  8-Oct-14, 22:46   #13
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pinotte 
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Here is an example of a bad slow play .BRM freeroll blind 50/100 i am on the botton with Q 10o

the middle player limp no othe move come to me i limp the sb fol the BB raise 100.00 to 200.00

the middle guy call and i call. The flop 8c 10h Qs. the bb check the other guy shoved all in

i call with my two pairs and BB call.See result.

     
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