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  26-Oct-14, 19:31   #1
KK vs A9o 0 
pelinimed 

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Cant believe it what this guys plays...i consider myself a nit in holdem.I know,maybe its not good,but i just cant play any two card...this hand is satt 7$ buy-in for red spade open...i have it!but can miss this hand,so i raise all inn to scare others.Thats why i love draw fixed limit and mixed pot and fixed limit games,you can beat me once,twice on luck,but not every time,i have full control on game and i have experience,knowledge to beat you.On holdem you dont have control and you can kick out in one single hand and youre never sure,even with monsters AA,KK,AK
PokerStars Hand #123948382199: Tournament #1017970416, $7.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (400/800) - 2014/10/26 20:07:22 CET [2014/10/26 15:07:22 ET]
Table '1017970416 419' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: PISKER4VILDT (8631 in chips)
Seat 2: J_Kenish (4775 in chips)
Seat 3: madravida (7108 in chips)
Seat 4: hcreix0071 (3946 in chips)
Seat 5: A.M.G.488 (13422 in chips)
Seat 6: doodles0302 (2300 in chips)
Seat 7: sigoraT (5070 in chips)
Seat 8: RobbyDee1981 (11683 in chips)
Seat 9: miamia78 (8981 in chips)
PISKER4VILDT: posts the ante 80
J_Kenish: posts the ante 80
madravida: posts the ante 80
hcreix0071: posts the ante 80
A.M.G.488: posts the ante 80
doodles0302: posts the ante 80
sigoraT: posts the ante 80
RobbyDee1981: posts the ante 80
miamia78: posts the ante 80
sigoraT: posts small blind 400
RobbyDee1981: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to miamia78 [Kh Ks]
miamia78: raises 8101 to 8901 and is all-in
PISKER4VILDT: calls 8551 and is all-in
J_Kenish: folds
madravida: folds
hcreix0071: folds
A.M.G.488: folds
doodles0302: folds
sigoraT: folds
RobbyDee1981: folds
Uncalled bet (350) returned to miamia78
*** FLOP *** [As 3h Qh]
*** TURN *** [As 3h Qh] 8 of clubs
*** RIVER *** [As 3h Qh 8c] Ace of diamonds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
miamia78: shows [Kh Ks] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
PISKER4VILDT: shows [Ah 9d] (three of a kind, Aces)
PISKER4VILDT collected 19022 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 19022 | Rake 0
Board [As 3h Qh 8c Ad]
Seat 1: PISKER4VILDT showed [Ah 9d] and won (19022) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 2: J_Kenish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: madravida folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: hcreix0071 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: A.M.G.488 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

     
  26-Oct-14, 19:42   #2
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shokaku 

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You both only have around 10 BB before the hand. So i can not blame him to try his luck with A9 here. He will be up agains Ajunk , KQ, KJ, Kjunk a lot of the time, and has a flip against 88 and smaller pairs.

     
  26-Oct-14, 20:01   #3
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pelinimed 

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few rounds and we catch ticket for red spade open...dont understand why he risk all with A9o?A9o i not play regular in early position.I try find this guy,he locked profile

     
  26-Oct-14, 20:43   #4
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BeMyATMplz 
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His call is bad, but if you say you have the ticket safe then you should have open folded this.
If you really have the ticket with a 100% chance, why move all in here? Even AA would be an open fold if it's true.

     
  26-Oct-14, 21:09   #5
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pelinimed 

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no way man...preflop fold KK or AA.Than i can jump from first bridge.Once i fold aces but after turn when second Q came and after fold guy shove AQ.For million $ i am not fold KK or AA preflop

     
  26-Oct-14, 21:19   #6
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yout85 
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Posted by pelinimed:
no way man...preflop fold KK or AA.Than i can jump from first bridge.Once i fold aces but after turn when second Q came and after fold guy shove AQ.For million $ i am not fold KK or AA preflop


Totally wrong way of looking at it.

Every move in poker should be risk vs reward. Shoving your KK was a small risk for NO reward.

Even if your chances of losing the hand were a million to one, you should still fold.

     
  26-Oct-14, 21:26   #7
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BeMyATMplz 
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Posted by pelinimed:
no way man...preflop fold KK or AA.Than i can jump from first bridge.Once i fold aces but after turn when second Q came and after fold guy shove AQ.For million $ i am not fold KK or AA preflop


Then you see the result of it.
By shoving here you risk $55 to win $0. You'd say this is a good risk/reward ratio? You may think again...

     
  26-Oct-14, 21:28   #8
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PokerKing76 

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Posted by yout85:
Posted by pelinimed:
no way man...preflop fold KK or AA.Than i can jump from first bridge.Once i fold aces but after turn when second Q came and after fold guy shove AQ.For million $ i am not fold KK or AA preflop


Totally wrong way of looking at it.

Every move in poker should be risk vs reward. Shoving your KK was a small risk for NO reward.

Even if your chances of losing the hand were a million to one, you should still fold.



In a live tournament ($30 buy-in + 1 rebuy and addon)

could use my rebuy in the first hour but prefer folding KK. Later I eliminate the player that put me all-in and I reach the final table

So folding AA or KK its a must sometimes

     
  26-Oct-14, 21:36   #9
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pelinimed 

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I dont know!I am probably wrong and its true with risk/reward ratio,but i dont think i ever fold AA or KK pff

     
  26-Oct-14, 21:43   #10
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BeMyATMplz 
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You should do a play not because it's a specific hand.
If you do anything else than folding then you do it to earn money. However, here as you say you have $55 safe, and cannot earn anything more than $55. Thus, all raising does is risking your safe $55, while you can't earn a single cent more than $55.

     
  27-Oct-14, 09:25   #11
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doubletop777 
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I dont think i would ever have called with that hand. How often would you be in front with it? You are very often going to be well behind to a bigger ace, so i cant see the logic in calling. Very unlucky for you

     
  27-Oct-14, 11:48   #12
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superthight 

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u should beilieve its because of the blinds are getting higher ,agressive betting are normal on bubble situation nothing can u expect holding monsterhand able to lose but always remember the nuts yur holding is ahead just unlucky and its poker,i prefer u to read hand history, flop reading as it shows a mathematical method of poker proven 60percent winnings.

     
  27-Oct-14, 19:13   #13
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pelinimed 

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Posted by superthight:
u should beilieve its because of the blinds are getting higher ,agressive betting are normal on bubble situation nothing can u expect holding monsterhand able to lose but always remember the nuts yur holding is ahead just unlucky and its poker,i prefer u to read hand history, flop reading as it shows a mathematical method of poker proven 60percent winnings.

Ok!sorry,but ireally dont need any program or anything to see what type of players i play...i need just few hands see to mark them

     
  27-Oct-14, 19:32   #14
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damosk 
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Wish I had the ability to see into another players mind after a couple of hands and then the insane ability to disrespect all of the advice that I am given when I appear to seek it out. As it is, I work hard on reading the game, the table and the players and listen intently to advice to determine the good from the bad.

     
  27-Oct-14, 21:16   #15
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pelinimed 

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Posted by damosk:
Wish I had the ability to see into another players mind after a couple of hands and then the insane ability to disrespect all of the advice that I am given when I appear to seek it out. As it is, I work hard on reading the game, the table and the players and listen intently to advice to determine the good from the bad.

ok and i am not working on this .i just play for fun...wtf is wrong with this people.you wish?ok you wish and i get this knowlldge and experience easy

     
  27-Oct-14, 21:26   #16
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yout85 
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Whether you're trying to improve or not... You start this thread criticising the actions of another player - and when it's pointed out, entirely correctly, that your play was also worthy of criticism, you choose to disregard that entire side of it.

The A9 call was TERRIBLE. You're KK push was EQUALLY TERRIBLE. FACT.

Both had nothing to gain, and risked everything.

     
  27-Oct-14, 22:06   #17
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zeroster 

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Posted by pelinimed:

Ok!sorry,but ireally dont need any program or anything to see what type of players i play...i need just few hands see to mark them


Dunning-Kruger effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

     
  28-Oct-14, 07:46   #18
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magatt966 

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Posted by BeMyATMplz:
His call is bad, but if you say you have the ticket safe then you should have open folded this.
If you really have the ticket with a 100% chance, why move all in here? Even AA would be an open fold if it's true.


Pure gold.

Learned this long time ago when grinding double or nothing sng.

It's a matter of EV of your moves

     
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