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  7-Nov-14, 09:20   #1
Is paying for coaching profitable in the long run? 0 
Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 2016
I have a chance to be coached by a well known pro... but it's not at all cheap.

Is there anyone with experience of coaching that could put a dollar figure on how much it helped them?

Rates are hourly... and so again, anyone who has experience - how many hours would it take to learn everything that needs to be learned?

I will only be seeking coaching for Fifty50 tournies on Stars - with the intention of taking my game up to the next level.


  7-Nov-14, 09:23   #2
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Netherlands
Age: 20 (M)
Posts: 862
I thought u already were a pretty profitable player IMO?

But this chance is a good one but as you said i figure it will be costly , idk hm the hourly pay for him is and hm more do you expect to improve your game by this and also HM bi 50/50 do you play?
i myself have no experience with this at all but i am curious how this works out.

greetz jeff Cool Blink

  7-Nov-14, 09:30   #3
Joined: Feb '13
Location: Slovenia
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 509
i have been coached and it took my game on another level...
So i would say coaching is very profitable.
I payed by hour and i had free coachings when i was staked...
Its hard to say how many hours u need ( i would say at least 5)
I think most important were HH reviews, i think i learned most from them

  7-Nov-14, 09:31   #4
Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 2016
I will be playing around 150 or so per day next year at the $3.50 & $7.00 buy in level... So an increase in ROI of only 1% would be roughly an extra $8 per day, or nearly $3,000 over the whole year....

  7-Nov-14, 09:54   #5
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Netherlands
Age: 20 (M)
Posts: 862
Hm yes that is pretty much worth it i guess then except if this coach asks you for over half a k an hour Tongue

  7-Nov-14, 13:50   #6
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
If he's a well known pro then it might not be the right coach for your specific game type. Most likely he will be able to show you great spots, but will not know much about all the ICM involved (because it's just soooo different to all other formats).
Also, whoever starts grinding fifty-fifties now should do so only for a specific reason, like for VPPs like you do or to have a bankroll builder, but for anything $30s and up 50/50s are dead with at the very least 8/10 players being regs (I've seen many tables with 10/10 regs as well).
So for the purposes you are looking for, you won't need a coach that costs you $200/hr or something.
I've done little research and only found one guy who's really grinding them at respectable stake AND coaches. Try adding 'buzyday' on skype. He's the former p***********y coach of the russian p***********y community for that format. Not sure how much he charges though

  7-Nov-14, 13:57   #7

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1629
In general I would say that a good player is not necessarily a good coach. A good player is credible because of his success playing, while a good coach is credible because of his success coaching...

  7-Nov-14, 14:22   #8
Joined: May '13
Location: Mauritius
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 2659
Depends on what kind of pros you looking for and the type of coaching they give, i would advice you to search on google or check forums to see some coach and try sampling for cheap and see how they coach or that they give good explanation and then you can start with them, most likely you will get a good one and you will progress, also which limits you playing you should get a coach if you stuck on Nl25 as coaching will help you to Nl50 !

  7-Nov-14, 14:30   #9

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8499
this is a difficult question, it's the same as asking "if i invest 1Mil in a bunch of startups will this be profitable in the long run", or "if i fcuk 50 girls in the space of 1 month will this make me an alpha male"... lots of variables.
what you need to check here is the track record: ask for some of players he coached and contact them, ask what effect coaching had on their results, winrate, roi, fbi, ufo...

  7-Nov-14, 16:22   #10

Joined: Feb '14
Location: Portugal
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 126
yout85 with the right coach it is always a good option, if the hourly cost can be compensated trough future winnings. I'm not talking from personal experience, but I have friends that progressed a lot after being coached.

  7-Nov-14, 16:54   #11

Joined: Apr '10
Location: Canada
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 1941
I'd say it depends how many holes there is in your game. Of course there's always room for improvement but you seem to know a lot more than most micro stakes players. There's a difference between knowing what the right play is and actually doing it... and I think that comes with experience and knowing how your opponents play. Lots of psychology involved in poker, not just maths. Smile

If you don't think there's huge holes in your game, then I don't think you need it. But you have nothing to lose by trying it... except money Blink

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