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Posted by bullettooth1: I don't see the point of wasting time on every hand just to make the money. That would totally piss me off aswell if I was on the same table. If you are struggling that much to make the money around the bubble maybe you should look at improving your game rather than looking to waste time just a thought.
I am sorry but that's your opinion man, If I choose to use the time they gave me then deal with it. You use the chips they give you and how you see fit. Just saying! Dont like it then dont play, because when I dont like it or getting pissy I quit for a bit. Time limits are there for a reason and it helps make the right decisions!
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Also my point at any given table is to piss and annoy as many people off as possible as it clouds how you react or think. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, just pray you dont end up at the same table as me as I am more than sure I could manage to get your chat banned as well.....just saying
------------ I also do not need advice, many reasons why I am short stacked at the bubble is not because of stupid play on my behalf, its the stupid play of others and getting lucky. Once again this is how I play and you have your ways at playing and will not judge you but I know if my style pisses you off I am more than sure your not the only one that wants a bullet in my head! I am an a*****e and opinionated and use that to my advantage!
Edited by xgcsnippy (23 November 2014 @ 18:16 GMT)
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I answer PokerStars first mail regarding this situation and i enclose their answer.
Thank you for contacting PokerStars.
I have reviewed your account and noticed that we did in fact send you a reminder of our rules in regards to the time to act feature in our tournaments.
As we mentioned before, this is a feature we implemented to give our players additional time to think when a difficult decision arises. This is *not* intended to be used as a tactic to slow down the games and place higher on the leader board.
To be clear, using the time given to you on several hands with the intention of slowing down the games is not permitted and the player found to be breaking the rules may have further consequences.
If you believe other players are doing the same, you are more than welcome contact us with the tournament number and User ID, so that we can investigate the matter.
Please also note that hand for hand play is completely different and has nothing to do with the games slowing down. Hand for hand on the bubble is another way to protect players from gaining an unfair advantage once the money prizes (or points in this case) are about to be reached.
I trust this makes our stance on the matter clear, if you have any further questions regarding this or any other matter, please do not hesitate to contact us back.
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Getting some abuse for my reply lol There is a thing called poker etiquette people. But apart from that, all I'm saying is that if you need to stall/slow the game down just to do a little bit better then there is something definitely wrong with your game that needs fixing. You should be looking at 15bb or less shoving ranges and between 15-25bb re steal ranges. Then hopefully when it gets to the bubble or the late stages then you will have a nice healthy stack so you wouldn't need to slow things down. Instead of wasting time wasting time, use your time to study more. Will be more useful than running the clock down. Take care all and good luck on and off the felts
Explain that to the Russians, The Brazilians and Romanians then....fck that and them.
Poker etiquette doesnt pay my bills, it doesnt help me in any way. I am here to do well and if I use my time the way its given to me then I will. Dont like how I play then pray you dont get me at a table and when someone constantly in chat does this....
ZZZZZZZzzzzz zzzzzz
and so on it only makes me aggravate them further!!!
------------ Sorry Poker stars and their letter is BS, they should implement other ways instead of threatening people for using a tool that is given to them......
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I played two games today the same way i use to play this game Et 1.00 went very well but 17.00 i will have a minus on the leaderboard.
The last leaderboard i was 7th. now i dont know if they will accept the games i played today will see
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Posted by bullettooth1: Getting some abuse for my reply lol There is a thing called poker etiquette people. But apart from that, all I'm saying is that if you need to stall/slow the game down just to do a little bit better then there is something definitely wrong with your game that needs fixing. You should be looking at 15bb or less shoving ranges and between 15-25bb re steal ranges. Then hopefully when it gets to the bubble or the late stages then you will have a nice healthy stack so you wouldn't need to slow things down. Instead of wasting time wasting time, use your time to study more. Will be more useful than running the clock down. Take care all and good luck on and off the felts
I dont know if you have ever played the open skill game but its nothing like a regular tournament with 10 0000 players and over 75% donks.
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I was thinking for a second that I could of complained, but if it was a PSO then it wasn't me. the person I complained about was using the time every hand only to fold via 'sitting out' and then typing what he had just folded while play was going on....
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well since all of this atm is just about pso league games there is no need to press the panic, harass, fcuk, bullsh1t buttons or a combination of these. but it's a signal by stars and i must admit not a very positive one. they are the ones who are creating a possible problem by giving time for players and it's not players fault for using what he is given. if stars have a problem with this- they should update the software and say give very little time to think on a hand, but add 1-3 min to time bank... player use time bank anyway he wants and if uses it he has no other way to slow down the game...
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Posted by demodawggy: They're more concerned about THAT and not all the lists of multiple account CHEATERS I've sent them that they do NOTHING to prevent...???
I think they deal with them when they try to cash out
Wow i never seen something like this, Pretty crazy That would be funny for a 40 tabling guy But for real,...how many tables do u play,.. Did you really slowroll every hand till the last second??? Sometimes there are people that dissconnect themself,... That is think is really anoying
I use this tactic a lot on satellite games, near the bubble, when short stacked. It is a great advantage, when the other table plays twice as fast, making the short stacks there pay more antes and blinds, and forcing them to shove, before you have to. It is strange that it's often only me that is doing it, since it gives you such an edge. I do feel however that it's perfectly fine to outlaw it, since it does slow things down a lot, and it's a bit unfair to players that are less anti-social... Sending emails to offenders, however, seems pointless, just make a clear rule, that shortens your time bank automatically, upon abuse.
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Posted by marqis: I use this tactic a lot on satellite games, near the bubble, when short stacked. It is a great advantage, when the other table plays twice as fast, making the short stacks there pay more antes and blinds, and forcing them to shove, before you have to. It is strange that it's often only me that is doing it, since it gives you such an edge. I do feel however that it's perfectly fine to outlaw it, since it does slow things down a lot, and it's a bit unfair to players that are less anti-social... Sending emails to offenders, however, seems pointless, just make a clear rule, that shortens your time bank automatically, upon abuse.
its really easy for them to see if you abuse it since u start at bubble ussualy
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Posted by jsikonja:
Posted by demodawggy: They're more concerned about THAT and not all the lists of multiple account CHEATERS I've sent them that they do NOTHING to prevent...???
I think they deal with them when they try to cash out
In the meantime those cheaters steal prize money from players who don't cheat and thereby gives them a smaller bankroll to work with... Probably because those cheaters are terrible players so they PokerStars earns more money from them since they're throwing it all back in rake and they won't try to cash out since they can't do anything with whatever they've won from time to time...
------------ Regarding the subject at hand... I think the rule in itself is nothing wrong with but if they are going to use it, they should make it clear in their T&C. As it is now, I think every player has the right to use the time given to them in whatever way they want to. Just give everyone a shorter amount of time and add a timebank.
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I can never seem to find the silver+ torts. I see the bronze+ torts occasionally but cant be botherd to play 5000$ with 200000000000000000000 entrys not really my thing m its ussually only 20 000 but the extra zeros add some effect
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I tried to explain them that i was just protecting myself against the very bad players that are playing this specific tournament. But it seems they dont understand and refered me to the enclose rule.especially the last paragraaph.
Collusion, by which two or more players work together in the games or share knowledge to gain an unfair advantage over other players, is strictly prohibited.
You may not intentionally lose a hand to another player in order to transfer chips (‘chip dumping’ . If you are involved in staking, swaps, profit-sharing, or any kind of bankroll sharing agreement with another player, you may not play at the same cash game table or in the same Sit & Go tournament as that player.
PokerStars will take steps to detect and prevent all forms of cheating, which may include examination of your account, hand histories, and programs running concurrently with the PokerStars software. PokerStars maintains a list of prohibited software programs and services on our Third Party Tools and Services FAQ page.
You may not use any of the programs or services on the “prohibited” list while the PokerStars client is running. The list is not exhaustive, and PokerStars reserves the right to add to or modify the list at any time.
Unfair play, such as collusion, multiple account abuse, and use of prohibited programs may result in penalties at PokerStars’ discretion. These penalties may include warnings, restrictions on playing with certain other players, seizure of funds, and the closing of your PokerStars account.
In the event that PokerStars deems that a User has engaged or attempted to engage in unfair play, including without limitation, engaging in any of the activities set forth above or any other game manipulation, PokerStars shall be entitled to take such action as it sees fit, as described in our Terms of Service.
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I am more than sure many of the Russians use Ventrillo or something to chat across while at the same tables etc. There is alot of cheating going on which Pokerstars will never catch onto. Cmon even vegas casinos with cameras and everything to guard against card counting still never works to its full extent.
just a thought. 
I can't find any vid...
