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  23-Nov-14, 12:48   #1
Hand with pocket Rockets 0 
michael_sm 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Ukraine
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Today in 9 SNG tournament came to a pair of Aces.
He's cheap-leader! I'm second...over 2 000 both
I started with 6 bet on button. (BB 60, so raise 360!)

And I got a call from Kemerovo's duke.

The flop came J-8-3.
I bet all-in. Call.
Showdown.

He got J Heart8 Heart ... two pair ...
How could play differently? There are tips?
This assh*le would answer my all-in pre-flop?

     
  23-Nov-14, 13:42   #2
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jomull57 

Joined: Apr '12
Location: United Kingdom
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fold them i lose most of the time with them poker is riged Big Smile . no just kidding i don't know what you should do. but if you are all in you can lose all your stack but i would have played it the same i cant fold aa

     
  23-Nov-14, 14:18   #3
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oskars19966 
Joined: Oct '14
Location: Latvia
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well that's the thing with pocket aces, if you doesn't improve them than any 2 pair or three of a kind can beat you!
But i wuld do the same thing in your place!

     
  23-Nov-14, 17:06   #4
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xgcsnippy 

Joined: Jan '13
Location: Canada
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 1066
if it makes you feel better Everytime I have pocket Kings someone always has pocket aces....this never fails, Also when I shove AA someone always Calls with KK. I am starting to believe Pokerstars is rigged and what their basis is or who they rig the hand to Is beyond me. I believe its rigged to spark action at the tables and depending on how the cards fall is whether your on the good or bad end!

I have seen way too many BS hands in the last week and seems to be getting worse. This morning I shoved 6.50 with AA and the guy had KK, well I won it lol!

5/10c zoom tables
Big Smile

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Perfect example of what I am talking about

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/11849821_...

Edited by xgcsnippy (Sunday, November 23, 2014 @ 18:08 GMT)


     
  23-Nov-14, 19:40   #5
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leno1 
Joined: Oct '14
Location: Germany
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 428
Posted by michael_sm:
Today in 9 SNG tournament came to a pair of Aces.
He's cheap-leader! I'm second...over 2 000 both
I started with 6 bet on button. (BB 60, so raise 360!)

And I got a call from Kemerovo's duke.

The flop came J-8-3.
I bet all-in. Call.
Showdown.

He got J Heart8 Heart ... two pair ...
How could play differently? There are tips?
This assh*le would answer my all-in pre-flop?


In my opinion there is nothing more you can do about it. Your raise was definitely high enoug. I would not have raised that high to not loose him. But fine he calls. You go all in on the flop with the bist hand - all right.

     
  23-Nov-14, 21:10   #6
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
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I would have gone all in preflop. Stopped slow playing them a long time ago Smile
But it wouldnt be a surprise if he called the all in too.
He had suited cards and that is enough of a reason for many players.
At least with J8 you can chase a straight also.
The ones i cant stand is those calling with K2 for example suited Smile

     
  27-Nov-14, 11:48   #7
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 26 (M)
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here is one interesting thing to do with rockets...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHiEkikhDGU

     
  27-Nov-14, 11:59   #8
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jsikonja 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Slovenia
Age: 33 (M)
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All in is the only way imo. depends how many chips u got. Making a normal 3bet often doesnt end up well, again depends if someone raises... once u lose a couple of times with AA or KK u stop playing it other than all in (unless chips count is something like 50k, then 20k is enough)

     
  27-Nov-14, 12:02   #9
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StheP 

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I dont agree, I am player that likes to play aces... ofc I would raise a little pre flop, and if I got reraise, I would 4 bet or maybe all in....

     
  27-Nov-14, 12:04   #10
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jsikonja 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Slovenia
Age: 33 (M)
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I bet u often lose with AA then. except those times when a reraise happens. or u get into game with 300 pot size and he folds on flop when u try to raise a bit. or do you wait for him to raise? With pockets on Pokerstars its ussualy some other guy has them also or has AQ or something like that, he will call anyway in most of times. at least do 50%-70% raise if chips stack is low so some russian or whoever will try to get you to fold

Edited by jsikonja (Thursday, November 27, 2014 @ 12:10 GMT)


     
  27-Nov-14, 12:38   #11
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vsemoje 
Joined: Feb '13
Location: Slovenia
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 515
fold the river

     
  27-Nov-14, 12:47   #12
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StheP 

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Posted by jsikonja:
I bet u often lose with AA then. except those times when a reraise happens. or u get into game with 300 pot size and he folds on flop when u try to raise a bit. or do you wait for him to raise? With pockets on Pokerstars its ussualy some other guy has them also or has AQ or something like that, he will call anyway in most of times. at least do 50%-70% raise if chips stack is low so some russian or whoever will try to get you to fold

I played long time ago all in on rockets, but belive me you will have more profit if you play aces, not just showe... bcs nobody call all in in most of the time, and if you play it you will win much more than blinds Big Smile

     
  27-Nov-14, 13:43   #13
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highyeah 
Joined: Jan '12
Location: Tunisia
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How many players are left in the SNG ? If it's the bubble than your play isn't the right way since you need to go for push or fold and with aces you need to push because our goal is to survive not induce villain to bluff or other complex play. If our HU then it's fine to play that's way because you aim for the win and extract value.

     
  27-Nov-14, 13:52   #14
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jsikonja 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Slovenia
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 255
Posted by StheP:
Posted by jsikonja:
I bet u often lose with AA then. except those times when a reraise happens. or u get into game with 300 pot size and he folds on flop when u try to raise a bit. or do you wait for him to raise? With pockets on Pokerstars its ussualy some other guy has them also or has AQ or something like that, he will call anyway in most of times. at least do 50%-70% raise if chips stack is low so some russian or whoever will try to get you to fold

I played long time ago all in on rockets, but belive me you will have more profit if you play aces, not just showe... bcs nobody call all in in most of the time, and if you play it you will win much more than blinds Big Smile


Maybe nobody calls you cause u skip playing other cards and they know what u have Smile

     
  27-Nov-14, 14:00   #15
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vsemoje 
Joined: Feb '13
Location: Slovenia
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@jsikonja ur wrong here....
U have to open same amount with your whole opening range. And with AA u should open same as with 89s.U have to induce shoves when u hold strong hand.
People shove way way more then they call so u should let them to shove over.

     
  27-Nov-14, 14:06   #16
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xgcsnippy 

Joined: Jan '13
Location: Canada
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 1066
Pokerstars likes to have the Caller win more than the shover....

just my line of thinking!

     
  27-Nov-14, 14:34   #17
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yout85 
Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 2016
Posted by xgcsnippy:
Pokerstars likes to have the Caller win more than the shover....

just my line of thinking!


You need a better hand to call with than to push... (see "Gap Principle" ) - It's obvious that most times when someone calls an all in, they will have a better hand than the person that's shoved. Just basic common sense.

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...and btw - Pocket Aces are easily the worst played hand there is. Why people think you need a different strategy for Aces than any other raising hand is totally beyond me.

I raise Aces like I do Tens... But as with tens, I'm disciplined enough to lay them down if I don't like the community cards.

705 wins from 755 aces on Poker Tracker (93.3%) tells me that my way of playing them is correct.

     
  27-Nov-14, 14:44   #18
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 26 (M)
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Posted by vsemoje:
@jsikonja ur wrong here....
U have to open same amount with your whole opening range. And with AA u should open same as with 89s.U have to induce shoves when u hold strong hand.
People shove way way more then they call so u should let them to shove over.


exactly, and @ highyeah, I am not talking about sng... but cash games... and for sng near buble, I would big raise preflop, and then showe on flop.....

     
  27-Nov-14, 17:29   #19
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jsikonja 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Slovenia
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 255
Posted by StheP:
Posted by vsemoje:
@jsikonja ur wrong here....
U have to open same amount with your whole opening range. And with AA u should open same as with 89s.U have to induce shoves when u hold strong hand.
People shove way way more then they call so u should let them to shove over.


exactly, and @ highyeah, I am not talking about sng... but cash games... and for sng near buble, I would big raise preflop, and then showe on flop.....


just wanted to say that you talk about ring games. On turney its RARE that another player wont call you give in half your chips, someone will intimidate with all in almost always.

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Posted by vsemoje:
@jsikonja ur wrong here....
U have to open same amount with your whole opening range. And with AA u should open same as with 89s.U have to induce shoves when u hold strong hand.
People shove way way more then they call so u should let them to shove over.


i know you go all in more or less 90% on turneys, when i saw you play it was all preflop Smile

Edited by jsikonja (Thursday, November 27, 2014 @ 17:35 GMT)


     
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