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Would you subscribe to a site without rake, but with a monthly fee
 

  28-Nov-14, 12:06   #1
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
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Would you want to play on a poker platform that makes you pay for the client software, and charges a monthly subscription fee, but charges no rake?

I know it does not exist, but if you look at how much rake you pay on a yearly basis, I feel we are paying way too much for the privilege to play.

Compare it to games that have $100 million development budget, that only charge a $10 subscription fee... Why can't we have a poker client that works that way, instead of rake?

     
  28-Nov-14, 13:04   #2
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yout85 
Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
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Well.... I calculate that I have paid around $4,500 this year in rake. I know there are players that will have paid WAY more than that... but also obviously, most players would've paid less... but reckon the average player will be paying somewhere in the region of $1,000 a year in rake (on Pokerstars I'm talking).

So they would have to charge an $85 a month fee per player to cover it... The problem there being that regs would be more than happy to pay that amount, but casual players would not. Meaning the casual players wouldn't play there, and the regs would only have other regs for company, so they wouldn't want to play there either.


If it was me running the site on a subscription basis, I would get around that problem like this:

$10 fee for setting up account
$0 - $99.99 staked per month - No fee
$100 - $199.99 staked per month - $10 fee
$200 - $299.99 staked per month - $15 fee
$300 - $399.99 staked per month - $20 fee
...........
$900 - $999.99 staked per month - $50 fee
$1000 - $1199.99 staked per month - $55 fee
$1200 - $1399.99 staked per month - $60 fee
...........
$1800 - $1999.99 staked per month - $75 fee
$2000 - $2999.99 staked per month - $85 fee
$3000 - $3999.99 staked per month - $95 fee
$4000 - $9999.99 - $100 fee
$10,000+ - $150
(or something similar, you get the idea)

With it being like this, it would attract the casual players as they would have to only pay $10 one time, and then would have no further charges... and would attract the regs as their rake would be capped at $150 a month, and there would be lots of recreational players around to play against. The people in the middle would be paying less than if they were being raked, so would be happy too.....

The first company that decides to give this a go will instantly secure a decent percentage of the market I feel...

     
  28-Nov-14, 13:23   #3
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MykolaII 

Joined: Oct '12
Location: Ukraine
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Posts: 290
Hi, everybody.

Yes. I agree.

However there is a poker room of Paynorake which doesn't collect rake for game. However, in popularity it very much concedes to sharks of poker business but after all is.

Good luck at tables and in life.

Dollar Dollar Dollar Worship Dollar Dollar Dollar

     
  28-Nov-14, 13:32   #4
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yout85 
Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
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And also, to combat the problem of players having zero balances at the end of the month, and being unable to pay the subscription fee, they would have to charge rake as usual throughout the month, but then refund the difference at the end of the month.

     
  28-Nov-14, 13:45   #5
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marqis 

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Posted by MykolaII:
However there is a poker room of Paynorake which doesn't collect rake for game. However, in popularity it very much concedes to sharks of poker business but after all is.

Didn't know about this, but it appears you still pay rake, but can get up to 100% rakeback if you're losing. It's a novel way of calculating rakeback, but you still pay a lot of money in rake if you're winning. I propose a flat fee for everyone, or maybe something like yout85 described.

Maybe even no/reduced cost unless you're winning. That way the site has a steady income, and the winners are paid by the losers, and the losers don't pay anything other than what they lost to other players.

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Posted by yout85:
And also, to combat the problem of players having zero balances at the end of the month, and being unable to pay the subscription fee, they would have to charge rake as usual throughout the month, but then refund the difference at the end of the month.

The monthly subscription should work like any other subscription (e.g. like a game network, or a magazine), directly from your bank account or credit card; not from your poker account balance.

Edited by marqis (Friday, November 28, 2014 @ 13:49 GMT)


     
  28-Nov-14, 13:57   #6
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mahdrof 

Joined: Nov '09
Location: Canada
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I used to play on Betraiser, which was no rake but they would charge a 10% fee on the withdrawal of any profits above your deposits. I loved the concept however there wasn't enough traffic. It's also the only NDB ($5) which I turned into something substantial.

     
  28-Nov-14, 14:06   #7
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arsenej1 

Joined: Mar '09
Location: Canada
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Couldnt really have a loyalty or point system this way. Unless they took volume of hands or tourneys played.

     
  28-Nov-14, 16:16   #8
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10016
Are you sure that one doesnt exist?
Im pretty sure there was one, without a rake. Not sure if its is still operating though.
If it is gone maybe that was an indication, whether a site like that can stand in the market or not.

     
  29-Nov-14, 14:58   #9
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ratovic80 

Joined: Feb '14
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A kid with a dream. Keep pursuing it.

     
  30-Nov-14, 08:00   #10
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jsikonja 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Slovenia
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 255
Posted by MykolaII:
Hi, everybody.

Yes. I agree.

However there is a poker room of Paynorake which doesn't collect rake for game. However, in popularity it very much concedes to sharks of poker business but after all is.

Good luck at tables and in life.

Dollar Dollar Dollar Worship Dollar Dollar Dollar


hehe remembered this post as i was checking today and found this site on web it says up to 100% rakeback or no rake. Registering, will tell more after i check

     
  30-Nov-14, 08:12   #11
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8628
i dunno- it's basically like saying, hey dude do you wish that there was a shop where you pay $10 for entrance and then can take everything you like once you're in... probably everyone say yes... but after a week that shop is out of business.
i imagine it would be oh so hard to get off for a rake free site, and if it could be doen only by an established brand, like an experiment- supplementing an existing poker platform (like room 1 with rake, room 2 no rake, but subscription)

     
  30-Nov-14, 20:00   #12
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10016
That is not the site i had in mind. Probably you are talking about the paynorake site.
They are saying they are giving back the rake. But in the past there was one where you had
to pay a subscription for it to play and there was no rake at all. Didnt last long.

     
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