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  3-Dec-14, 15:33   #1
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ratovic80 

Joined: Feb '14
Location: Portugal
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 126
This is the most frustrating feeling ever.

I've built a decent bankroll from 0$ (to more than 100$). Played every freeroll I encountered, faced the bingo poker players, found the discipline and patience to play the micros at Pokerstars successfully. My roll went up, it took some time, but I did it.

Unfortunately the unemployment situation I'm currently facing forces me to do regular cashouts, just leaving a couple dollars to do it all over again. I knew my "luck" wouldn't last forever... so yesterday I lost the little money I had after a AK to AQ suckout at a cashgame.

Busted, again. Aww crap!

Now I have to do it all over again, but honestly I'm not in the right mood do it. Probably I'll have to take "vacations" from poker. The freerolling battle takes a lot of me, much more than some other game does. I don't know why, but it's the truth. Confused.

Any advice guys?

Edited by ratovic80 (Wednesday, December 03, 2014 @ 15:34 GMT)


     
  3-Dec-14, 15:38   #2
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8623
take a break and rethink the situation again: you won quite a lot of money by grinding freerolls, they are still there, asking for being milked once more. i think it's a great feeling knowing that you can refill your bankroll from $0. just do the dirty work.
best of luck and patience.

     
  3-Dec-14, 16:08   #3
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ratovic80 

Joined: Feb '14
Location: Portugal
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 126
Thanks Pochui, I'll take your words in consideration. Thumbs Up

     
  3-Dec-14, 16:09   #4
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 3111
I know exactly feeling... thru the summer I got to few bucks from 0 from pokerstars hubble tournament, and at the end of summer I got little more than 100$.... and I got busted, so imidiatly after, I found out a lot of freerols, and rebult mine acc again... so just be patient, take a little break, and go back to play poker Blink wish you endless luck Big Smile

     
  3-Dec-14, 16:33   #5
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1631
Freerolling on Pokerstars is no way to get a bankroll. Almost any other site is better for that. Did you get the $100 exclusively from freerolls, or did you play cash with the winnings?

Party Poker had a good freeroll where you'd get a $15 (later $20) ticket for a top 10 (later top 8) finish. When you got more than one ticket, it was converted to T$. I managed to make about T$600 - T$700 from this. It still exists, with only top 4 paid, so I no longer play it. I have yet to lose a bankroll, of have a long losing streak, but I never minded the freerolling; it's the same buzz when you win a tournament.

Look for sites with better freerolls and bonusses, and take advantage. Maybe check if your game is good enough to beat the cashgame tables, before using your bankroll there, and study to make it so. If it isn't you'll eventually face the same fate. A fate shared with the vast majority of players, I'm afraid...

Good luck!

     
  3-Dec-14, 16:47   #6
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 3111
I hit 4$ on weekly tournament that I qulify thru hubble, than play sng and make it to 100$

     
  3-Dec-14, 17:06   #7
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ratovic80 

Joined: Feb '14
Location: Portugal
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 126
Posted by StheP:
I know exactly feeling... thru the summer I got to few bucks from 0 from pokerstars hubble tournament, and at the end of summer I got little more than 100$.... and I got busted, so imidiatly after, I found out a lot of freerols, and rebult mine acc again... so just be patient, take a little break, and go back to play poker Blink wish you endless luck Big Smile


Tks m8 Thumbs Up

I thinking of not playing at all until the end of the year, in order to full charge my battery.

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Posted by marqis:
Freerolling on Pokerstars is no way to get a bankroll. Almost any other site is better for that. Did you get the $100 exclusively from freerolls, or did you play cash with the winnings?

Party Poker had a good freeroll where you'd get a $15 (later $20) ticket for a top 10 (later top 8) finish. When you got more than one ticket, it was converted to T$. I managed to make about T$600 - T$700 from this. It still exists, with only top 4 paid, so I no longer play it. I have yet to lose a bankroll, of have a long losing streak, but I never minded the freerolling; it's the same buzz when you win a tournament.

Look for sites with better freerolls and bonusses, and take advantage. Maybe check if your game is good enough to beat the cashgame tables, before using your bankroll there, and study to make it so. If it isn't you'll eventually face the same fate. A fate shared with the vast majority of players, I'm afraid...

Good luck!


Thanks for your thoughts Marqis Thumbs Up

I haven't build the roll exclusively on freerolls. I played them just until I got 5$/6$ and after that I played 0,25c 45-man (non turbo) / 0,50c 9-man (turbo) at Pokerstars (with success). I only play at Pokerstars or FullTilt because these are the best sites in terms of cash out (and reliability).

I only played cash games after I cashed out some money and got like only 1$ left. I believe my game is good enough to beat any micro cash game online, because I have done before at several ocasions. But since the roll is a big issue at those games, I preferred the tournaments.

My problem is that by having no money I'll have to go back to freerolling. But these tournaments tilt me like hell, and that's why I'm thinking of not playing at all. It may sound weird but nowadays 10$/20$ are a lot of money for me, so it feels like I'm playing scared money all the time.

Edited by ratovic80 (Wednesday, December 03, 2014 @ 17:24 GMT)


     
  3-Dec-14, 17:30   #8
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xgcsnippy 

Joined: Jan '13
Location: Canada
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 1066
which sit n goes do you normally pplay?

     
  3-Dec-14, 17:40   #9
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mahdrof 

Joined: Nov '09
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I shipped you $5, pay me back when it is convenient - no rush.

     
  3-Dec-14, 17:57   #10
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xgcsnippy 

Joined: Jan '13
Location: Canada
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 1066
MAgic river BS on stars again!!!

What would you guys do?

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/11963592_...

Redemption first hand after break!

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/11963634_...


Big Smile

Edited by xgcsnippy (Wednesday, December 03, 2014 @ 18:04 GMT)


     
  3-Dec-14, 19:24   #11
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
Posted by xgcsnippy:
MAgic river BS on stars again!!!

What would you guys do?

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/11963592_...

Redemption first hand after break!

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/11963634_...


Big Smile


I wouldn't even be in the tourney yet at this point.
In a 3x rebuy I wouldn't bother registering until about 40 minutes in.
As for the hands, by default I'd fold both pre to the 3bet, but as this is a rebuy everything is possible Big Smile


@ OP, definitely stick to the $0.25 45 mans rather than the $0.50 9 man turbos. You will have a bigger winrate per game with much lower swibngs. I don't know about your multitabling and poker abilities but it will be almost always the better way if you have the time to play non turbo MTSNGs. Especially with the nice gesture of mahdrof you can start over at them again.

About your monetary situation - don't you get monetary support from your country being unemployed? I can't imagine someone living in the EU living that much on edge to having to withdraw every penny basicly.


     
  3-Dec-14, 19:46   #12
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yout85 
Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 2016
With the AQ... If you are ever in a position where you are prepared to CALL all in, you should always PUSH all in.... calling gives you one opportunity to win a hand - you have to have the best hand after the river... pushing gives you two opportunities, as you can either win by the opponent folding, or by them calling and you hitting the better hand...

As it was a satellite and a rebuy, it's doubtful it would have made any difference, but you should certainly try to get out of the habit of flat calling...

     
  3-Dec-14, 20:21   #13
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ratovic80 

Joined: Feb '14
Location: Portugal
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 126
Posted by xgcsnippy:
which sit n goes do you normally pplay?


It really depends on the bankroll, as you surely imagine. Lately I've been playing the 0,50c 9-man sng turbo at Pokerstars. That's the game format I've really studied so far, and I feel very confortable at those tables.

Do you think I should change something (like trying other sng's)?



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Posted by mahdrof:
I shipped you $5, pay me back when it is convenient - no rush.


MASTER MAHDROF, thanks a lot for your advance, I'll return it asap.
This is the nicest gesture someone had to me in Poker. I'll make sure you won't regret it.

Worship Worship Worship Worship

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Posted by xgcsnippy:
MAgic river BS on stars again!!!

What would you guys do?

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/11963592_...

Redemption first hand after break!

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/11963634_...


Big Smile


Yesterday I've lost my last money on a AK vs AQ play.

6-max table, I was on the button holding AK and got raised (3x blinds) from the player at the highjack. iI re-raised to a total of 9x blinds and got called. The flop came A K 9 rainbow. The villain checked, I raised (a little more than half the pot) and he puts me all in. I did though about folding, but I couldn't. So I called. At the turn came a Q and at the river... another Q.

I'm not complaining about how rigged this was, but it was tough to loose that hand considering my roll situation.

Edited by ratovic80 (Wednesday, December 03, 2014 @ 20:36 GMT)


     
  3-Dec-14, 20:57   #14
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 3111
because of this tread I want to bring back memories, and started sng once again... I am cash player now, and a little tournament player, so I decided to play sng 180 players 1$ normal speed... reached just under bouble, and I was preaty good... have above average stack after 2hr and 30 min, and I got AK suited, I was BB, SB big raised preflop, so I reraise, and force him to go all in... so he did... he got AQ and flop comes ace, but turn comes Q... and he criples me.... I got double up, but wasnt enough... soon blinds was eating me up, and i got in hand with same player, I got lower pair, and he raised 1BB so I got to shove bcs I left with 4BB and he got middle pair... and I busted out just under bouble... so I decided not to play sng more, and just stay at cash table... good thing is that I played paralel cash game with that sng and make money back, even got good profit Big Smile

     
  3-Dec-14, 21:10   #15
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ratovic80 

Joined: Feb '14
Location: Portugal
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 126
Posted by BeMyATMplz:
Posted by xgcsnippy:
MAgic river BS on stars again!!!

What would you guys do?

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/11963592_...

Redemption first hand after break!

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/11963634_...


Big Smile


I wouldn't even be in the tourney yet at this point.
In a 3x rebuy I wouldn't bother registering until about 40 minutes in.
As for the hands, by default I'd fold both pre to the 3bet, but as this is a rebuy everything is possible Big Smile


@ OP, definitely stick to the $0.25 45 mans rather than the $0.50 9 man turbos. You will have a bigger winrate per game with much lower swibngs. I don't know about your multitabling and poker abilities but it will be almost always the better way if you have the time to play non turbo MTSNGs. Especially with the nice gesture of mahdrof you can start over at them again.

About your monetary situation - don't you get monetary support from your country being unemployed? I can't imagine someone living in the EU living that much on edge to having to withdraw every penny basicly.



Hey BeMyATMplz, thanks for your words.

I'm definitely doing the $0.25 45 mans grind. I only played the $0.50 9 man turbos when my roll was bigger than 50$.

Regarding the monetary situation: the government gives me some money every month, which is not enough to pay the essential bills. I pay my rent, the water and the electricity. The internet is "stolen" from my landlord. To eat I have to go to my parents or sister house. So you can imagine how hard this is. Living in the EU southern countries is not that good mate, maybe you guys at Germany don't realize how bad it the life in Portugal, Greece or Spain. I'm thinking on moving to England in the next year.

     
  3-Dec-14, 21:12   #16
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 3111
Posted by ratovic80:
Posted by BeMyATMplz:
Posted by xgcsnippy:
MAgic river BS on stars again!!!

What would you guys do?

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/11963592_...

Redemption first hand after break!

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/11963634_...


Big Smile


I wouldn't even be in the tourney yet at this point.
In a 3x rebuy I wouldn't bother registering until about 40 minutes in.
As for the hands, by default I'd fold both pre to the 3bet, but as this is a rebuy everything is possible Big Smile


@ OP, definitely stick to the $0.25 45 mans rather than the $0.50 9 man turbos. You will have a bigger winrate per game with much lower swibngs. I don't know about your multitabling and poker abilities but it will be almost always the better way if you have the time to play non turbo MTSNGs. Especially with the nice gesture of mahdrof you can start over at them again.

About your monetary situation - don't you get monetary support from your country being unemployed? I can't imagine someone living in the EU living that much on edge to having to withdraw every penny basicly.



Hey BeMyATMplz, thanks for your words.

I'm definitely doing the $0.25 45 mans grind. I only played the $0.50 9 man turbos when my roll was bigger than 50$.

Regarding the monetary situation: the government gives me some money every month, which is not enough to pay the essential bills. I pay my rent, the water and the electricity. The internet is "stolen" from my landlord. To eat I have to go to my parents or sister house. So you can imagine how hard this is. Living in the EU southern countries is not that good mate, maybe you guys at Germany don't realize how bad it the life in Portugal, Greece or Spain. I'm thinking on moving to England in the next year.

mine country isnt any better... Sad

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so unlucky... didnt needed that dimond....

http://www.boomplayer.com/hr/poker-hands/Boom/11966485_...

Edited by StheP (Wednesday, December 03, 2014 @ 21:33 GMT)


     
  3-Dec-14, 22:53   #17
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10011
Since from what you are saying you are playing the micros successfully,
why don't you try to keep a decent bankroll in to keep grinding.
It is better and faster than starting all over again from scratch with freerolls.

     
  3-Dec-14, 22:54   #18
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ratovic80 

Joined: Feb '14
Location: Portugal
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 126
Posted by StheP:
mine country isnt any better... Sad


Lets all hope for better days to come Thumbs Up

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Posted by Mober:
Since from what you are saying you are playing the micros successfully,
why don't you try to keep a decent bankroll in to keep grinding.
It is better and faster than starting all over again from scratch with freerolls.


Its hard to establish a difference between your "poker bankroll" and your "life bankroll" when you have no money at all. That's one of the problems I've been facing pokerwise.

But yes of course you are right and maybe I should try that at any cost.

Edited by ratovic80 (Wednesday, December 03, 2014 @ 23:02 GMT)


     
  3-Dec-14, 23:02   #19
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xgcsnippy 

Joined: Jan '13
Location: Canada
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 1066
I have managed to build bankrolls from free rolls but when I am working i save the aggravation and just toss money in myself.

I had a 15 dollar bankroll this morning and now its at 70 Smile

hope I dont lose it, but holding off playing anything major tonight as I need to grind some cash tables for chrome star, not too interested in silver this month as last month was stressful enough!


     
  4-Dec-14, 09:30   #20
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damosk 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 52 (M)
Posts: 4847
Hmmm! At the risk of being accused of being cynical....... Financial Success comes at a cost! That cost is usually to onesself in terms of hard work and commitment to achieve the aim. It does not come from doing a bit and then giving up with a hard luck story! Persevere and try harder and I am sure you will achieve your aim!

     
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