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I find myself in this situation a lot... and he is not bluff player, he plays good... so I though I doodge a bulets... What would you do in this situation, bcs I get in exactly same situation a lot of time... pls answer me... show, or call and if hit you flop show or call, or just fold like I did... I think it was good fold, but as I said I got in this situation very much....
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Second hand i dont kmow why u folded river. U called the turn and the 3 didnt change the hand nor was a scare card. Imo if u called the turn u shoulda went to show down.
------------ Could have also check raised the turn to see were you were at. His continuation bet on flop was gonna come eather way and by allowing him to keep betting into u, u lost full control of pot.
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you are totaly right... but I was hoping for him to check or raise same amount or little more on river... I was thinking a lot bout calling turn, and I thought he got maybe AQ or AK, thats why I folded river... You say that I should check raise turn, but I think that would be bad move if he got hands that I said... but maybe I should done that...thanx for your answer
First hand: there's a limper, you might wanna add a BB to your standard raise but that's no big deal. The guy who limped/3bet UTG reps something strong, but I don't think he has aces or kings there. I would've 4bet him to see what he does next. Most likely I think he has a pair around 88, 99, 1010 and doesn't want to be in a 3way pot.
Second hand you could've played it many different ways. I think calling to showdown there isn't bad because your hand is a bluff catcher (meaning you don't beat any big hands, but guy could be just trying to rep an ace), but folding after calling twice when a brick comes on the river is one of the worst lines you could've taken. I would've most likely raised on the flop or turn for information there but I don't know how this player plays so I can't really say.
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Hand #1 I am calling to see the flop. He might be suspecting a position play and has nothing better than you, or some kind of pocket pair. See the flop, see how you feel about the C-bet which is surely going to follow and take it from there.
Hand #2, I am not a fan of ATo in a full ring game at any time unless I am getting some kind of pot odds to call because you just never know where you are at. I think once you got to the river with this hand though it is a call.
All of this is just speculation on my part, when you are actually in a game the tells and betting patterns of your opponents can and will make you sometimes play against what the math side of the game will tell you to do. Always interesting to discuss HH.
Calling the 3bet in the first hand is fine also, but you're gonna miss most flops and have to lay down a lot after putting 12 BBs in. I'd rather commit myself to the pot with AK there considering the stakes and the terrible random plays players do at these stakes. He could have 74s for all you know
First hand; opening bet was too small, because there was a limper; I would bet $0.08 (3 BB + 1 BB per limper). I'm not impressed by the 3-bet. I would 4-bet (about $0.75), and call an all-in 5-bet. A fold here is a waste. Only AA or KK beat you, so you will almost certainly have at least a coinflip.
Second hand, consider folding pre flop; AT is not that great when there is already an open raise, and a call in front of you (you are often dominated by a bigger ace). Other than that I kind of agree with arsenej1; if you call the turn you should call the river.
Edit: Some excellent answers, above that beat me to it, it seems...
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Thanx guys, realy needed to hear how would you play it, and great suggestions! @mahdrof A10 is good hand in 9 player table micro stakes, bcs there is a lot of players entering the hand with ace and any other card, and if someone have stronger ace you could see it easy by his bets... but its thrue that you can get in realy bad situation with AT like I did in hand No2...
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I think you have played AK here correctly. The raise preflop is allright and against a reraise from a guy that only checked also. Only if I knew that the reraiser was pretty loose I would call the reraise or even push all in.
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Hand 1: Raise higher, as there is a limper already in the hand. Limp, reraise UTG looks super strong, so i can't blame you for folding, if you think the opponent is solid.
Hand 2: Fold preflop. You avoid such situations like in that hand.
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in first hand I think that UTG player is solid, bcs I didnt see him bluffing, and he only played a little of hands... when he got something... so I think as I said that I runned on something strong... but what bothers me the most is why he limped then... why he didnt raise pre flop??? Is he having aces and he just limped and w8 for raise to reraise him so he could showe after?
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In future, posting HH to the forum will always garner more helpful opinions if you include specific details to the hand, such as PFR (even if you don't run a HUD, a loose estimate should be just fine, such as 'they always raise when they enter'), their session history specifics for that time (have they rebought for the 4th time? Are they always limp raising with huge hands?), their tendencies, etc. your fold looks really wrong to me here, but I do not know the specifics of the hand to give my opinion in what you should/shouldn't do with certainty.
But from what I see, raise at least 4x...and s**t I have no idea what to do when he 3bets you. If he were pretty aggressive and you noticed him doing this before, I'm 4 betting 100% of the time. He can be doing this so much lighter than you and will fold a whole bunch of his range to your raise. He can only really continue with the top of his range. If he 5 bets you, you can fold or ship it (if he hasn't already), as he will be PC and you will be pretty close to it. It really comes to the point where you need to consider whether you are willing to stack off with AK, and you should definitely so this before you get 5 bet. I really don't like folding AK there, you beat so much. I hate folding more than calling, at least calling gives you position and a well disguised hand if you hit the A or K, or if you are Phil Ivey post flop. I hate calling, but less than folding. You get a lot of fold equity putting in a 4 bet, and even if he shoves you're not crushed all the time, and certainly not enough for a fold to be justified. But there's no way of knowing, so please consider putting in the extra info! It will help us help you, and help you to start considering these stats!
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as I said in post he was realy tight player, folds a lot, and I didn't see him bluff anytime... he never raised preflop that much, so thats why I folded... Have a fealing that I run to rockets or cowboys.. as I said...
