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  11-Dec-14, 21:32   #1
Calling BeMyATMplz (or anyone on stars sngs) 0 
IceQueenAce 
Joined: Feb '13
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I have tonight started playing a couple of 180 man $1 games (cause I am bored with poker and need a change of game) on stars.

The game seems incredibly soft.

Is this always the case or am I just lucky that they are so soft on my first day?

     
  11-Dec-14, 21:40   #2
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
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I have expirience with 180 players 1$ sng on regular speed, not turbo, and players are medium... it is easy to beat if you have good tactic, but prize schedule sucks, bcs from 27-18 place prize is 1.06$ so you only got 6c.... that realy suck but winner have 50$, so if you win this tournament you will get preaty nice amount of money Big Smile

     
  11-Dec-14, 21:57   #3
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xgcsnippy 

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If you look at one of my threads today I played my first 180 man hyper turbo with the 1 dollar buy in and its lasts maybe 40 minutes and I placed 3rd for 18.61. I played my 2nd one and finished in 24th for a 6c profit lol....

playing my 3rd now and waiting to see how I can makeout!

Big Smile

     
  11-Dec-14, 22:00   #4
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StheP 

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you r playing turbos then... I dont like high speed games, I am slow kind of poker player Tongue

     
  11-Dec-14, 22:27   #5
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xgcsnippy 

Joined: Jan '13
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Just finished ITm again for 3rd one in a row....

I don't normally play the hyper But I am 100% in the money today!

I prefer turbos like the 180 or 360 man ones

but this is quick and easy pickings right now!



Big Smile

     
  12-Dec-14, 19:18   #6
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IceQueenAce 
Joined: Feb '13
Location: United Kingdom
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The games do seem overly soft. My problem is, I am not so good at turbo's but don't have the time to play the slow ones.

maybe I need to bite the bullet and learn to play turbo's properly

     
  12-Dec-14, 22:10   #7
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PokerKing76 

Joined: Dec '11
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I think it's easier when you play 6-handed turbo, my opinion.
maybe a better player can say a thing about it.

     
  13-Dec-14, 00:07   #8
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yout85 
Joined: May '12
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Posted by IceQueenAce:
The games do seem overly soft. My problem is, I am not so good at turbo's but don't have the time to play the slow ones.

maybe I need to bite the bullet and learn to play turbo's properly


The general strategy required for turbos is basically the same as for standard speed... It just means you get to push or fold time sooner, and therefore you have to know your push/re-push ranges by heart. If you can pick up a nice stack early on, the time approaching the bubble can be extremely profitable if you use your stack right - be aggressive, but not suicidal - Try lots of 2.5bb raises when you have hands such as Q10 and better in late position, always follow up bet and re-evaluate if you get raised, or if your follow up bet gets called... Most important thing is to be the aggressor, not the the caller. If you have a hand that you are not comfortable to reraise with, then just fold - don't flat call. Say 77 for example in late position facing a raise - Calling is definitely -EV, whatever the raiser has... while it's a certain raise in an unopened pot, I would fold without too much thought facing a raise..

     
  13-Dec-14, 03:17   #9
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pinotte 
Joined: Jun '13
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Yout in your example of 7 7 you would fold and i completely agree i know that in the long run its the better play but when you see a 7 on the flop do you find it frustrating? When it happend to me i feel it bad. Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile

     
  13-Dec-14, 08:34   #10
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damosk 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: United Kingdom
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Having read this post yesterday I decided to play one of these last night. I attempted to join a hyper but just missed the registration and ended up joining a regular speed game....... 2 hours later finished 12th place for a profit of .55c. I enjoyed the game and upon reviewing how I played it have learned quite a bit of how I play and some useful tactics to take forward. Will give the hypers a go later!

     
  13-Dec-14, 10:18   #11
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Frobert 
Joined: Jun '14
Location: Romania
Age: 22 (M)
Posts: 46
Hi everyone!

About the 180 SnG's 1$ buy-in, the game is soft but it takes too long to get into prizez that can make the difference.

I have no problem to play 180 man SnG's on higher stakes because the winnings makes you stronger.

I would recommend the turbo ones, it's kinda the same strategy. Play aftere the 3 stages that a SnG''s has and you will do good!

Cheers!

     
  13-Dec-14, 19:58   #12
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
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Generally non turbos are softer than turbos.
Not only can you extract a bigger edge because of the longer blind-intervalls, but usually the fields are softer because good grinders prefer turbos for the bigger hourly (more games/time spent).
As for the strategy, I have to disagree with "they are basicly the same".
In general this is correct, still, turbos and non turbos require a totally different skillset IMO.
In turbos you can be a pretty bad player, as long as you know shoving ranges well you can be a winning player (obv. your winrate won't be as high as of other regs', but at the micros you can def. make money solely knowing shove/folding and calling ranges well).

In non trubos on the other hand, you won't get into situations where you have to know shove/folding as often, because you have on average more time to win chips and avoid these spots.
Obviously there will be no way around it, there will be games where you are as short as you would be in a turbo, but in a turbo you will have shove/fold spots in EVERY game.
Postflop play, picking good spots to steal (also important for turbos but can be applied more often in non turbos, because you can afford to do it more often effective-stack-wise), isolating and all the good stuff is very important to maximize your winrate in non turbos.

I wouldn't consider myself as neither a great postflop player, nor poker player overall, but found non turbos to still be more profitable for me (as for ROI anyways, but also hourly rate wise).
What's important playing SNGs is the hourly rate, and to determine that it's individual for everyone.
In my example, lets assume I play sets of 25 at $3.50 STTs.
I can play 25 turbos in about 1 hour and make about $6.25 (calculating with $0.25/game excluding rakeback).
If I play 25 $3.50 non turbos it will take me about 1h45min to finish, but I will make about $15 (calculating with $0.60/game excluding rakeback, my actual winrate is about $0.75/game but to be safe downgrading it a little because of not very big sample yet), which translates to a hourly of roughly $8.60.

This calculation should be done for everyone grinding SNGs IMO, to determine what your most profitable way to go is. Obviously you don't have to play solely one game type, it would bore me to hell too, it depends what you want to achieve with poker. Do you want to make a side income, do you want to make just a few bucks extra, do you play solely for fun etc. etc...
The more money you want to make, the more % of your volume should be at what you're best at.

     
  13-Dec-14, 22:44   #13
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IceQueenAce 
Joined: Feb '13
Location: United Kingdom
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Posts: 2196
Thanks for that Sir. I guess I have to grind some volume on both and see what happens.

     
  14-Dec-14, 17:56   #14
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yout85 
Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 2016
Posted by BeMyATMplz:
Generally non turbos are softer than turbos.
Not only can you extract a bigger edge because of the longer blind-intervalls, but usually the fields are softer because good grinders prefer turbos for the bigger hourly (more games/time spent).
As for the strategy, I have to disagree with "they are basicly the same".
In general this is correct, still, turbos and non turbos require a totally different skillset IMO.
In turbos you can be a pretty bad player, as long as you know shoving ranges well you can be a winning player (obv. your winrate won't be as high as of other regs', but at the micros you can def. make money solely knowing shove/folding and calling ranges well).

In non trubos on the other hand, you won't get into situations where you have to know shove/folding as often, because you have on average more time to win chips and avoid these spots.
Obviously there will be no way around it, there will be games where you are as short as you would be in a turbo, but in a turbo you will have shove/fold spots in EVERY game.
Postflop play, picking good spots to steal (also important for turbos but can be applied more often in non turbos, because you can afford to do it more often effective-stack-wise), isolating and all the good stuff is very important to maximize your winrate in non turbos.

I wouldn't consider myself as neither a great postflop player, nor poker player overall, but found non turbos to still be more profitable for me (as for ROI anyways, but also hourly rate wise).
What's important playing SNGs is the hourly rate, and to determine that it's individual for everyone.
In my example, lets assume I play sets of 25 at $3.50 STTs.
I can play 25 turbos in about 1 hour and make about $6.25 (calculating with $0.25/game excluding rakeback).
If I play 25 $3.50 non turbos it will take me about 1h45min to finish, but I will make about $15 (calculating with $0.60/game excluding rakeback, my actual winrate is about $0.75/game but to be safe downgrading it a little because of not very big sample yet), which translates to a hourly of roughly $8.60.

This calculation should be done for everyone grinding SNGs IMO, to determine what your most profitable way to go is. Obviously you don't have to play solely one game type, it would bore me to hell too, it depends what you want to achieve with poker. Do you want to make a side income, do you want to make just a few bucks extra, do you play solely for fun etc. etc...
The more money you want to make, the more % of your volume should be at what you're best at.


You took this many words to say:

Posted by yout85:
The general strategy required for turbos is basically the same as for standard speed... It just means you get to push or fold time sooner, and therefore you have to know your push/re-push ranges by heart.


This Smile

But yeah IQA.... What BeMy said...

     
  14-Dec-14, 17:58   #15
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IceQueenAce 
Joined: Feb '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 40 (F)
Posts: 2196
lmao

You both rock Big Smile

     
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