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  23-Dec-14, 05:34   #1
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tonespoker 
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Not a fan of villans slow play. Check or bet the river?

     
  23-Dec-14, 06:38   #2
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uno1Bomber 

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You could nothing to do here. It's a microlimit cash table and you should call and your bet on the river was fine. Villain played well though

     
  23-Dec-14, 06:39   #3
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shokaku 

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As it was 4 way the chances of one of the players holding a jack here is realistic, so i would play with caution. You can bet the river, but must make up your mind what to do when get raised. Unless opponent is rather bluffy, it is a fold.

     
  23-Dec-14, 06:45   #4
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tonespoker 
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He was pretty bluffy. Was leaning pretty far to a fold, and the river only really puts me ahead of AK. Villan missed a lot of value in this spot IMO.

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I feel I played it bad against a bluffy opponent. Once they shut down they usually have it.

     
  23-Dec-14, 14:07   #5
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BeMyATMplz 
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Probably 3betting preflop but I guess flatting is fine too.
Flop and Turn is fine IMO, river is a clear bet/fold.

     
  23-Dec-14, 16:28   #6
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StheP 

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you did exactly as I would, you didnt do anything wrong Blink

     
  23-Dec-14, 16:46   #7
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marqis 

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I think checking the river is better. Two other players in the hand, that already invested in the pot, they were not drawing for a flush, so they probably have something.
There are not too many hands that call the river with worse (AK maybe), so you won't often get value from it. Plus you have excellent showdown value. The downside however is (as you experienced) a lot bigger.

I mostly just bet the river when I feel strongly I'm ahead, or when bluffing for the pot, and feel my opponents don't have a strong hand (but better than mine).

     
  24-Dec-14, 02:17   #8
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xgcsnippy 

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Yea that would have been a tough one to play, I do not think the villain did anything wrong. I love being in that situation to trap. I always slow play if I was in the villains position. I want you to get chips into the pot and flat call and then jam it on the river! Alot of players will be pot committed. I also being in your position would never fold that hand unless I knew for fact he had what he had.....

     
  24-Dec-14, 02:30   #9
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pinotte 
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Its pretty hard to make money when you it a full or a nut flush on the flop.

For sure you have to slow play cause if you bet its almost sure that the others will fold except in this case that another player had the fourth J for a trip.

In your case you had top pair and good kicker your bet on the turn was very good.

However on the river the other one came back with a big raise and i would have wonder for a trip at least. But its hard to fold two big pairs. Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused

     
  24-Dec-14, 09:22   #10
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doubletop777 
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You found yourself in a very tough spot here after you hit the queen on the river. I would have probably checked the river with another person to act after me but i can see why you bet, you just ran into a monster and got unlucky

     
  24-Dec-14, 09:34   #11
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shokaku 

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The Q on the river looks good, but does not help us that much. We are now ahead of AK, but thats it. And i don't think AK makes up that much of opponents range here, to change our judgement of the hand.

     
  27-Dec-14, 01:53   #12
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tonespoker 
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I think checking is fine but I'm missing value. Not such an obvious fold but I think I should have made it. Villan is never raising without trips+, and I'm still getting value from worse A's. Don't think the river changes much, just might lean my decision more towards calling.

When I say I don't like the villans slowplay, I mean by leaving to the river to check raise. I feel he won the minimum amount, and could have gotten a bit more value from leading/check raising turn in a multi-way pot. I would probably fold to a check-raise on the turn, and check raising the river is a risky play. Would have prefered to lead with around 1/2 pot with his hand, checking there will kill a lot of his value I feel.

     
  27-Dec-14, 02:35   #13
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pinotte 
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Have you been thinking about this hand for four days to find out that you should have fold.
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  27-Dec-14, 02:39   #14
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tonespoker 
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It's consumed my life.

Nah was just having a scroll through old posts and saw this had a few so I'd give my re-evaluated opinion of my own play Thumbs Up

     
  26-Jan-15, 17:30   #15
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StS5 
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Wow the guy with Aj is holding the nuts and is really extremely slow playing that hand. In your situation I wold also have made a small bet on the river, because with two pair you are often good. And he could have had only a flush draw or Ax as well.

     
  26-Jan-15, 17:51   #16
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TheMachineQC 

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I would definetly avoid going broke on this hand. 4 way pot, 2 callers when you bet usually means someone has something strong. The Q on the river is actually a bad card because now even K10 beats you. And the only hand that you now beat that you didn't beat before that river is AK...

On the flop it goes check check check check so it makes it more likely for someone to be holding 66 also.

I would be on check/call mode on this river. Not betting just to fold if I get raised...

     
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