Now, should I have called there or not? The villain has been known to overbet the river when he has the nuts to give the impression of a weaker hand and a bluff/semi-bluff. So my reasoning is that he was sitting on 9T and I just didn't think that my hand was good enough to call with.
Keep in mind that this is FastForward and the maximum BI is $5 so to call him would essentially mean risking over 1 BI on a hand that I wasn't confident enough to win.
My question to you, would you have called that bet? I was thinking about folding already in the turn but I was hoping that he wouldn't bet that much in the river to make it more possible for me to call him. So what's your take on this? Any input is greatly appriciated!
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Posted by arsenej1: I must be blind i cant seem to see what u were holding?
------------ Nm i donno how i missed it lol
he edited it
------------ My opinion: he hit nut flush drow on flop, and play it agresive... he put you on single pair, so when he sow that ace on river that he got, he decidet to raise all in... I think that is and there is maybe this one he got A8, which is also very posible... I am sure he doesnt have 910.. and I think you should call it... But also I dont know how he played before to tell for sure...
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Thats what id say...busted flush maybe trips or two pair but doubt 910 unless it was his flush draw cards. ...probably busted flush n couldnt let go so he pushed to try n ween u putta the pot
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I had to edit the post, I must have accidently erased my hand when I translated the HH
You might be right about that flush draw. If I didn't have any read on him from before I would have called. But the fact that I actually took some time to make a note on him that said he usually plays the nuts really aggressive and overbets the river tells me that it's a big possibility that he actually called with 9T preflop.
I might have missed a good payout but since I had that note on him, I'd rather play it safe. There'll be better spots to take home monster pots.
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I think the way you played it was fine... I also think the most likely holding he had was indeed 9 10... and a 9 at the very least.. With his river bet being 5 times the size of the pot, calling for a chop is a risky move... risking $6 to win back $0.60 - this would only be a good move if there was a less than 10% chance he was holding 9 10... which just isn't the case.
The move that made all the difference to that hand was the min-bet on the flop... Because of that, all subsequent bets were larger than they would have been - ending up with the all in which wouldn't have happened I believe if you check/call the flop.
The likelihood is that villain would have bet ~$0.06 on the flop, ~$0.16 on the turn... making the pot $0.52 going to the river - He would have to put you on a flush draw and would be unlikely to shove all in, meaning you could go to a showdown for a lot cheaper.
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people saying good fold i would call in seconds maybe that is why i am a fish
if he had 9-10 .. that turn was the perfect card for him if i were the villain , i would be thinking if he had straight draw , he might got there or a flush draw didnt hit so i would bet more on the turn .. not less than pot bet like he did protect my hand against flush draws plus erru called a raise on the flop so he is sticking till the river
my bet would be busted flush draw turned to a 2 pair on the river or a nine in his hand cant see him having 9-10
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Have to disagree skp... I just can't see it being a +ev call long term.
$7.68 in the pot, $6.18 to call - meaning you would have to be correct over 80% of the time to be +ev.
If you call and win you would actually win around $0.30 less than the $7.68 due to the increased rake... making it closer to 85% you have to be right.
If you call and split you would end up losing money because of the rake.
So if villain has a 9, you lose... if they have 9 10, you lose big... The only thing you beat here is a stone wall bluff, or a set... and it's foolhardy at best to massively overbet a pot with a set when there are 4 to a straight on the board.
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you convinced me calculating the odds was spot on but in those micro stakes , anything is possible that is why folding 2nd nuts is harder for me i wouldnt be surprised if he just pushed with a four thinking it is good
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I would have called most definitely in this case, because you are holding the second nuts and only a single hand can beat you. If you have really had the impression, that villan had it its possible to fold, but its so unlikely.
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Thanks for all your feedback! I'm sticking to my fold, I think it was the best move there. Especially sine the villain had the note on him saying that he liked to really overbet the river with the nuts.
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Posted by erru9107: Thanks for all your feedback! I'm sticking to my fold, I think it was the best move there. Especially sine the villain had the note on him saying that he liked to really overbet the river with the nuts.
If you are still thinking the fold was the best move here I wont blame you for it and taking notes and acting according to them is always a good thing. But still you have the second best hand possible and I would not give it up.
I think you possibly did two mistakes in this hand.
First and most important: calling the 22 cents on the flop. It was a pretty large bet and you are aware that you are not drawing to the nuts. So why chase? I'd rather fold or raise in this spot and see what information my opponent gives me. But the minimum bet was also pretty bad so it was hard for you to rep a real hand here.
Second: Folding on the river. If you're chasing a straight and you hit it and there's no flush out there, don't fold. Or don't chase it in the first place Stay consistant and logical with your own decisions!
(he could easily have low straight or a 9 just like you and you would split the pot, he could also be trying to turn a made hand into a bluff)
Edited by TheMachineQC (17 March 2015 @ 18:04 GMT)
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u can choose what u want ,but then always remember the basic principle of poker before acting a move.bluffing is not profitable u could only win once but the rest of games are full of suffering loss.nice hand waysss...
