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  2-Apr-15, 02:24   #1
What about A Q -1 
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I necer made the calculations but i figure that when i have A Q i figure around 90% on the flop a K come. Just today i ave A Q shoved and one call with K small flop K. A little bit later i have A K shoved against A Q flop come Q. So i suppose that i am losing with and losing against. Aww crap! Aww crap!

A little correction the % is not 90% in the second case. Smile Smile

Edited by pinotte (Thursday, April 02, 2015 @ 02:25 GMT)

  2-Apr-15, 04:58   #2

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Looks like your flop hitting skills need improvement. But it is an inofficial rule that, while holding AQ, a K WILL come at the flop. The usual biased memory in those cases. Like they always hit their flush draws.

  2-Apr-15, 06:27   #3
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To satisfy your concern, what you need to do is keep a strict record of the times K or Q comes on the flop, and then a strict record of how many times K or Q comes on the flop when you have Q or K in your hand, and then also consider the relevance of holding an A at the same time, or as against any other holding card. You may then want to study the data you have retrieved and provide yourself some certainty over your concern. If you do it long enough, you will find it is probably 50 / 50. It is just your selective memory of defeat that is creating bias.

  2-Apr-15, 11:10   #4

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Why you shove than preflop AK and AQ... I never shove preflop AK and AQ... I only shove if I have record of player that he is lose, and he is raising big, and I know he dont have nothing... With this hand is better just to raise preflop, or flat call raise, and see what flop has to ofer... Most of the time you will be dominant preflop, but that doesnt mean that you will win pot... It only mean that you have advantage preflop...

  2-Apr-15, 11:18   #5
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The odd bit of your observation. These awards are frequent, and you see them as you play a lot of it when you see these as well as other types KK hand on hand and the flop KQAJA. You see that kind of win the hand and here such number also applies to the color on the flop. I can nieporadzimy, that discourages some to play but what to do.

  2-Apr-15, 12:12   #6

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Well u r talking about 1 of 3 hands i hate in poker, AQ, KJ and AT, but as it turns out a lot of pros hate those hands too, and they share the same experience as u do, when ever i get AQ i know there wil be a K on the flop and most of the times like 90 % im right, so i only call the blinds if no one reise preflop, and if some1 does if its not too much lets say like 1/10 of your stack ill just call, ill never rereise with one of those 3 hands, the only way im all in with any of those hands, is if im short stack.
Ooouu and i should put QT also in here, they all look like great strong hands, but most of the time they are not, and the more u play the more u see that, so train your mind when ever u see AQ KJ AT and QT not to get too excited coz the truth is like 80% of the time there is nothing to be excited about.
You dont have to take my word for it, see what daniel has to say about them Big Smile

Edited by SBEP (Thursday, April 02, 2015 @ 12:20 GMT)

  2-Apr-15, 13:42   #7
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Is there really any need for someone to give Pinotte a thumbs down for this post?The 90% figure is obviously an exaggeration but the whole point of a forum is to discuss this sort of thing.
I do notice there was an edit by Pinotte but as he is a regular and a good contributor to the forum I doubt he would have said something that requires the post to be removed.
As for AQ....if I am a short stack and need to go all in then I am usually quite happy to see it,thinking about it,I'm sure I was knocked out with AQ in the Sunday tournament. Shock

  2-Apr-15, 17:14   #8
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AQ is a hard hand to play even the pros think it is the hardest hand to play but still it does not mean you have to fold it but you have to play better with the AQ hand and yo could make lots of money it applies to all those ace kicker plays , anyway good luck at the tales i would prefer AQ than 27 any other time of the day but against AA i would prefer 72 therefore i could gold lol, anyway good luck mate have fun and keep us updated on your play!

  2-Apr-15, 19:17   #9

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I like AQ expecially suited and dont find it any harder to play then AK...gotta play your opponents not always your cards. If you feel your beat slow down if u feel your ahead speed up. Goodluck at the tables

  3-Apr-15, 23:58   #10
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Again tonight i have A K on BB i am low stack and a small raise in front i shoved we turn he show K Q
and of course the Q it the board and i am out. Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

  4-Apr-15, 19:04   #11
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Bad luck. The wheel will turn and you are going to be the one winning these hands leaving
the other banging their heads on the wall Smile At least the kicker was a good one, so you cant say
much here Smile

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