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  20-Jul-15, 02:30   #1
AWWW YIS, I missed you too, full tilt 0 
LebronHEAT 
Joined: Jul '13
Location: Germany
Age: 22 (M)
Posts: 228
I am not gonna say, this how f**king often x-time this is, that I am retrying to start to play Poker...


Anyway. Sat down on a Table.
First thing I noticed was this maniac playing every Hand very agressive. LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE HAND.

Obviously he lost like 6 or 7 Buy-ins and won 2 or 3


And obviously he would win against me...



Here is how:
I called a multiway-pot with 10-8 suited pre-flop.

Flop comes 4-K-9 rainbow

For some reason he min-raised and every body else folded. I dealt it like a check and called the 0,05 in a almost 1 dollar pot.

Turn comes J, still not flush-draw (at least for me)
He min-raises again.
I call, same reason.

River comes 7.

He min-raises and I shoved all-in, since he would call anyway..


Indeed, he called. with Q-10 (higher street)



First Hand I played....


Already lost 1 buy-in.



what the f**k keeps me on returning to this crap ?!?!?!



Well i'm gonna play another hour for the f**ks sake and then I will cash out again the 50 Dollar (okay 47 now), before I lose them in a ridicolous way again

     
  20-Jul-15, 07:38   #2
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
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Posts: 8391
i missed you lebron- you are one of those mobbits/mobsters that has a lot of interesting stuff to say, your in-depth knowledge of poker and exquisite hand analysis is what makes this forum a real poker forum. i hope that your significantly awesome threads will continue to shine of this forum for decades to come.

     
  20-Jul-15, 07:57   #3
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 51 (M)
Posts: 6208
It surely hurts, if such an expert play isn't rewarded every time.

     
  20-Jul-15, 09:08   #4
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Calmplay 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: Mauritius
Age: 51 (M)
Posts: 3665
I know that feel bro, cashout your money just cashout and never look back again.

     
  20-Jul-15, 09:23   #5
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Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 4764
Ok, so you're playing against a maniac addicted to play every single hand, you knew he was going to call you, but still you had to take your precautions. Talking after is always easier, i may have done the same you just did, but that K,J,9 could have made you think about the possibility of your opponent have Q10.

     
  20-Jul-15, 09:44   #6
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 3026
Posted by LebronHEAT:

Here is how:
I called a multiway-pot with 10-8 suited pre-flop.


This is enough to say...if you think T8s is good hand in multiway pot, than you deserve to lose...against player that have huge vpip and agression factor, you should play only strong hands and if you hit on flop, check call all till river, and shove on river Blink

     
  20-Jul-15, 17:36   #7
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av1966 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 50 (M)
Posts: 1500
Hello my friends and fellow mobsters Worship Worship

Welcome back LebronHEAT always nice to have a mobster back to the forum and back at poker Worship

I like the way you play poker and hopefully you will keep on posting your poker adventures Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

Some day you will put out there a winning hand and you will say how much you love online poker Big Smile Big Smile

Don´t forget to be happy and enjoy life

     
  20-Jul-15, 23:53   #8
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LebronHEAT 
Joined: Jul '13
Location: Germany
Age: 22 (M)
Posts: 228
Posted by StheP:
Posted by LebronHEAT:

Here is how:
I called a multiway-pot with 10-8 suited pre-flop.


This is enough to say...if you think T8s is good hand in multiway pot, than you deserve to lose...against player that have huge vpip and agression factor, you should play only strong hands and if you hit on flop, check call all till river, and shove on river Blink



Seriously?
1 guy standard raised 3BB. 3 other People call.

Are you telling me you would fold 10-8 suited in this kind of situation!??!?!

suuuure

     
  20-Jul-15, 23:59   #9
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Tony_MON7ANA 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Japan
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 3654
You really do not have to (even try to) prove you are better than that maniac/whale or whatever.
It's a cash game. Just move on.
Please choose your table/seat wisely.

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Tuesday, July 21, 2015 @ 00:09 GMT)


     
  21-Jul-15, 00:10   #10
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pinotte 
Joined: Jun '13
Location: Canada
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Posts: 3446
Are you really serious 10-8 suited against 4 opponents for sure anyone that is a poker player would not miss this opportunity and will call and do like you did lose.
8-10 suited is not that great of a hand where did you learned your poker probably at the school of suited maniacs.
Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  21-Jul-15, 05:42   #11
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LebronHEAT 
Joined: Jul '13
Location: Germany
Age: 22 (M)
Posts: 228
As far as I know, this is good hand to call with.
Suited one-gappers.
Easy to play post-flop.

You either hit big time - or you don't.
If you have draws, follow pot-odd rules and you'll be fine.

Dunno what the hell your problem is.


Probably it's cool to take down one guy, if other already did. So you just do it as well. Very grown up of you


Sharing how you would (or should) play a hand to help others? naaaaah. Just tell how bad of a player someone is and don't even try to tell what he did wrong or what he could do better!!!!

Best. Help. Ever.

     
  21-Jul-15, 06:18   #12
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TheMachineQC 

Joined: Apr '10
Location: Canada
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 1880
What was your position? I don't even have basic infos to be able to judge how the hand was played... I don't meant to bash or gang up on you but you're probably not gonna like my analysis. Next time post the HH so we can really see how it happened.

If you called on BB or SB (how many BBs was the pre flop raise?), sure you probably have good odds 4 way, but you're also out of position and you're not in control of the pot... What if you flop a flush/flush draw and somebody else does too? You might end up losing some big pots and winning small ones in this kind of situation.

You have to be able to let go of these hands sometimes. They are suited connectors, not monsters, so you don't have to play every single one of them, especially out of position.. And Btw you have to be aware that Q10 has you drawing dead on the turn which is not good at all. You could've folded at any point pre flop, on the flop or on the turn. He was beting small because he wanted you to call. I think he actually played the hand pretty good, even if it was an unorthodox play. The fact that he was loose made you play passive, just hoping to hit something for a good price against an agressive player. Unlucky for you, he woke up with the nuts on the turn and you didn't even think about that possibility xP

That's poker. And it's an unlucky river for you because it gives you second nuts. It wasn't a huge mistake because it was hard to put the guy on Q10 there, but it was definetly a situation that could've been avoided.

Edited by TheMachineQC (Tuesday, July 21, 2015 @ 06:24 GMT)


     
  21-Jul-15, 06:23   #13
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
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This is why you should always post the handhistory, when seeking advice. When you tell the story in your own words, you miss important information, like how many callers, what your position is, what type of game, blind levels etc...

If you get good enough pot odds, or implied odds, you can play T8s, but it's hard to tell without the HH...

     
  21-Jul-15, 07:18   #14
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Tony_MON7ANA 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Japan
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 3654
Hey, LebronHEAT, did you insta-leave the table after that horrific river had swept you out?

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Tuesday, July 21, 2015 @ 07:28 GMT)


     
  21-Jul-15, 08:23   #15
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yout85 
Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 1992
A lot of pretty unfair criticism... T8 suited is a great hand to call with in a multi-way pot, ESPECIALLY against an agro opponent.... and especially, especially if you are in position (although we don't know if this is the case as you haven't posted hand history).

The only problem here is your attitude at losing the hand. Forget about it. Move on. You were dominated preflop, dominated on it and drawing dead after the turn... Not because of your bad play, or villains good or bad play - You should have immediately put it behind you and kept playing your A game... which, for the record people... Includes calling with speculative hands in multi-way pots.

If you're applying good bankroll management, losing a buy in (or more) will have no effect on your ability to continue playing. So either you are not using appropriate BRM, or your mindset isn't right to be a poker player... You seem to know you did the right thing by calling with T8, so why feel down? Because you lost? That's results orientated and will get you nowhere.

Chin up Lebron Smile

     
  21-Jul-15, 09:12   #16
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 3026
yout I know you r good player but I will 100% of time fold T8s in multiway pot...I think its preaty huge -EV IMO... even if I have position of those players.... because in this situation we got maniac player that is raising with almoust evrything, and T8s isnt bluff catching card, in multiway pot, you will in almoust evrytime got outdrown....And about bankroll menagment I totaly agree with you... we all have bad beats, but if you apply good bankroll menagment you should know that this is gonna happend and it will happend, its called variance, but you shouldnt be vory if you got a lot of buy in left Blink

     
  21-Jul-15, 10:05   #17
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1623
Posted by StheP:
I think its preaty huge -EV IMO... even if I have position of those players....

It either is, or isn't -EV, that not a matter of opinion is it?

Take the extreme: If you're in the BB, UTG has opened 3BB, and 7 players have called; in NL2, the pot would be 8*$0.06 + $0.02 from your BB = $0.50

You are not folding T8s for an additional $0.04 in order to have a chance of winning this $0.50 pot are you? You have about a 12% chance to win the hand, so huge +EV to call...

And then there's the implied odds when you connect really well on the flop...

Edited by marqis (Tuesday, July 21, 2015 @ 10:11 GMT)


     
  21-Jul-15, 13:34   #18
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 3026
Posted by marqis:
Posted by StheP:
I think its preaty huge -EV IMO... even if I have position of those players....

It either is, or isn't -EV, that not a matter of opinion is it?

Take the extreme: If you're in the BB, UTG has opened 3BB, and 7 players have called; in NL2, the pot would be 8*$0.06 + $0.02 from your BB = $0.50

You are not folding T8s for an additional $0.04 in order to have a chance of winning this $0.50 pot are you? You have about a 12% chance to win the hand, so huge +EV to call...

And then there's the implied odds when you connect really well on the flop...

in that case I have very good pot odds, and I would call...it isnt same situation...

     
  21-Jul-15, 13:59   #19
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SBEP 

Joined: Nov '14
Location: Macedonia, The former Yugoslav Republic of
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 948
Well no wonder u quit playing poker in the first place, if we all quit after our first bad beat, suckout or not able to stand those russian and brasillian donks that push all in with any two cards and the software keeps rewarding them, then we should not call our self poker players, coz i like showing my gray hair and explaining which white hair was from which donk, bad beat, or suckout, its like our battle scars, mb we should call them battle hairs Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
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