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When FT and PS comes with revolutionary idea of SPINs and JackPot sit& goes they expected more trafic more fees.OK i agree in a first moment every player with 3$ bye in want 9000$ but when in 10 games he receive aword of 6$ and win and lose 50% he just pay a fee. I-losing new depositors with spins and jacks (PS and FT) 1.but in regular way of play when 18$ aword apear newbee is under presure and he will lose in a second all bankroll after losing spin x6 and biger. 2.Making newbees and fish players with bankroll of 50-150$ in few second with bankroll of 9000$.that is money from 100000spins aprox.and player allready pay big amount of fee and FISH GO OUT WITH 9000$. 2.1 That newbee will cashout large amount ( so FT will lose big amount of depositors money) 2.2 fish will lose on higher stakes no mather what game that will be sit & goes hyper or cash game 2.3 If no transparent dealing of awords is under way 105000 spins instead of 100000 that will generate 5000x3$ no transparent fee to PS.That are money from depositors and probably if amount of average new depositor on 3$ stakes are around 100$ that is money from 150 new depositors who are not capable or not willing to lost more money.
II.Second part of losing players on sites both PS and FT(CASINOS) 1.tilted player will try casino for sure and if you lose on poker probably you will lose large portion of bankroll with CASINO.
Soo Cash games SHARKS WAITING FOR FISHES CMOOON FISH WITH 50000$ WILL SEAT WITH TRUETELLER AND SALLYWOO AND PLAY 2-7 AND FL OMAHA HI LO CMOOOON DIRECTORS FROM FULL TILT TRY TO AVOID REAL PROBLEM. Sharks will wait but when all day nothing happend they will move in nosebleed tables and one shark will take 1milion from another.That shark probably will cashout large amount THAT IS THE PROBLEM. I want to watch sometimes SHARKS in a battle with 500000$ on a table and dreaming for grow up and play with sharks. Go solve problem with USA DOJ and NewJersy licence bring USA players and problem will gone or erase SPINS AND JACKS UNTIL USA PLAYERS ARE NOT HERE.Smalls fee and earnings but FT will stay alive.With this just they want to HIDE the problem. GAMBLERS LOSE ON SPIN AND JACKS AND THAT MONEY ARE NOT INFINITE NO MATHER PLAYERS CASHOUT THAT MONEY ORE PS AND FT NO TRANSPARENT TAKE AWAY
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I really dont know where you want to prove with the long post that you wrote bu i see often sharks and fish. This is part of the life you have winners and losers in all aspect of this life. You also have the same not only on PS % FT but all the other site that are online and also casinos online and live thsi is there and nobody could do anything.
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It is quite simple. There is no longer enough money going around for both the rooms and the sharks. So what do you think the rooms, who hold the games, will try to funnel the remaining money to?
Joined: Dec '11
Location: Macedonia, The former Yugoslav Republic of
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I undersand that y probably do know nothing about FT and PS and way they promote new way of playing( Spin&GO and Jackpot games on PS and FT)Way that probably make most of the problems in FT room.So i will be little beat short 1.They produce rich Fish who cashout money or losing to sharks who also CASHOUT 2.Dealing with Sharks in long terms (FT have that problems) with no trafic produce whery big CASHOUT from site probably moving acros few poker rooms or goes to landline casinos for big games.They dont have so much interest for small amount of fee to move big amount of money of SHARKS.Again CASHOUT is the problem. I just try to explain how bad is explaination of new changes on FT. 1.With new games they produce players with big amount of money and small investment 2.They try to keep new depositors not to loosing money? What y dont understand here SHARKS AND FISHS ?If you dont see name isildur1 just see the way how he play with 50000$ on 2-7 1000/2000$ probably y will think how FISHY looks his play.But when you see name then he is SHARK?Probably all players in some part is fish or shark that was not a goal of my post CASHOUT and no new depositors is the online poker problem.They not gonna solve problem with new changes
------------ And stealing money from players with no transparent dealing of awords on SPIN&GO and JACKPOT SIT&GOES games are the real problem.WHAT DO THEY THINKIN.Stealing milions of dollars from players will remain long time.Answer is NO just 1 year. Yesterday or days before PS promote 100$ SPIN with 300000$ pay off for player who will be winner on that spin&GO. if 100000 dealing of spins are distributed like PS explain 75% of games are payed with 200$ and aprox 95$ of ich game goes to JACKPOT,if they deal 105000 spin games 5000x95$ =aprox 0.5Milion stealing from poker players.How Sharks will dealing with losing every 7-10 days 500000$? they will deposit 500000 every week 10years from now?
Joined: Feb '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (F)
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i like the new changes. they have made a clear line aiming for fish and lots of sharks will leave the site but that in turn will get more winning players returning as FT gets easier cause of more fish.
The problem in poker is, everything is a lot harder now. When poker first came on the scene making money was easy. people didn't know what they were doing and bonus' were a lot more frequent/easier. These days every has hit a higher basic level and this has led to a lot lower profit margins
------------ (and in reference to your original post about winning 50%, if that is the case you will be a winning player on these games )
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I dont want to read Mr Mansour again IceQueen. You dont recognize ROI from wining 50% and probably you never play Spin & GO at Pokerstars or JacksPot Sit &goes on FullTilt.When you play 10 games on Pokerstars Spin&Go with bye in 3$ and Spin award to you 10games with price pool 6$ and you win 50% of that games soooo that is 5 games your profit is 5*6$ =30$ and when you lose rest of the 10 games (if you make some math 10-5=5) so you invest and lose 15$. in wining part you invest 5*3$ and earn 30$ so your profit is 15$ and in losing games you lose 15$. ROI is 0%.You dont lose or win just your bankroll is the same. Pokerstars earn 10*(3*0.18$)=5.4$ fee. If you dont understand that you will not understand NO TRANSPARENT dealing of awards.Explainining of that is for Distrubutors of Licence.I wrote query and send to licencors to discover from PS database how they distrubute awards but i steel dont have responce.I play almost 1000games and every game is in my database # number of tourney so if Licencors try to make a query first they must recognize all my 1000 games in database etc etc.I hope they dont cheat )))
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Posted by djtopato: I dont want to red Mr Mansour again IceQueen. You dont recognize ROI from wining 50% and probably you never play Spin & GO at Pokerstars or JacksPot Sit &goes on FullTilt.When you play 10 games on Pokerstars Spin&Go with bye in 3$ and Spin award to you 10games with price pool 6$ and you win 50% of that games soooo that is 5 games your profit is 5*6$ =30$ and when you lose rest of the 10 games (if you make some math 10-5=5) so you invest and lose 15$. in wining part you invest 5*3$ and earn 30$ so your profit is 15$ and in losing games you lose 15$. ROI is 0%.You dont lose or win just your bankroll is the same.
I play these across many sites.
Your ROI isn't 0%
Because whilst your figures are correct based on $3 and $6 prize, it isn't always a $6, it is often more. So everytime you win a game that is more than $6, it puts your ROI over 0.000%
I don't really understand the rest of what you said, seems you are complaining you don't win the jackpot or something
Joined: Dec '11
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usual in a row when 75% of the games are 6$ y will get 10games with 6$ price pool. Statistique said if you play 100 games 75% will be 6$ probably you dont no statistique and you dont know that have maybe 95% probability that you will get in a row 10 games with x2 award And if you dont win the game who will bring you x4 or x6 or higher you are probably tilted if price pool is 6$ you will see very agresive play from 90% of players including me.They are agresive because 2 things they often lose big games x4 x6 or they are spining to many x2 So if I am SPIN & GO player and complaining that is part of 99% of SPIN & GO players because just 1% have profit THAT IS THE GOAL I THINK OF MY POST ---------and you are FullTilt director?
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You are accusing POkerStars of being not transparent. Here is a copy of the odds multiplier for the $3.00 and $7.00 published by them if this is not being transparent i dont knoe what you want.
7% of the buy-in goes to rake Prize Pool Multiplier $3 Spin & Go First-Place Prize $7 Spin & Go First Place Prize Frequency 3,600 $9,000 $21,000 1 of 100,000 240 $600 $1,400 5 of 100,000 120 $300 $700 10 of 100,000 25 $75 $175 100 of 100,000 10 $30 $70 500 of 100,000 6 $18 $42 7,500 of 100,000 4 $12 $28 19,866 of 100,000 2 $6 $14 72,018 of 100,000
Its a little hard to read the copy but you can google it and see very clear.
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Posted by djtopato: So if I am SPIN & GO player and complaining that is part of 99% of SPIN & GO players because just 1% have profit THAT IS THE GOAL I THINK OF MY POST ---------and you are FullTilt director?
1% making a profit is about right :
and yes I am a full tilt director. I always win cause I have software to see all cards at the table...
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Its clear.I know that pinotte. That is so called PYramide bottoms give money to 1 THE TOP of the PYRAMIDE. Supose THEY DONT CHEAT 1.Will be 1 winner of top price SPIN is Producer and Director of 1.Future Shark (just 1) 2.Future Loser who wil redistibuting money to the SHARKS on higher stakes where he probably cant play (because x3000 buy-in is not level where skilz of player with 3$ buy-in ) like tourneys with 109 buy-in or sit and goes with 100$ buy-in 3.He will cashout most of the money So what Mr Mansour can do it with that and new changes 100000 games with 2500-5000 players involved produce 1 winer. IF THEY CHEAT They will steel 5000x3$ =15000$ from 2500-5000 players in one week on one level NOW I AM CLEAR???? ------Another director from Pokestars?
------------ Hahahaha Fulltilt Director will just dealing another 5000 games instead of 100000 why y steell use software to see my cards you always get a JACKPOT after 105000 Spins MISS ACEQUEEN I dont complain from stars I win in past 4years 7500$ HU on 3.5$ and 7$ and 10.5$ tourneys HU with 256max I never deposit my money. I lost my usual client USA players 2012 (1 problem) same as PS and FullTilt And i cant find to many fishes today because the SPINS are produce to many agresive and all in players And i wait to much on HU tables And i never deposit more than 50$ (always my previous cashouts)
------------ if i lose 50$ i deposit 25$ next month if i lose i deposit 10$ next month They can make to deposit 7500$ i spend that money and i keep just 500$ with that amount if i am loser i will play probably 3years or i will play freerolls and watch sharks PS cant see deposit of 1000$ from me. Last time i send 10c from PS to Fulltilt and i lost on RED and BLACK i see next day free JACKPOT SIT & GO ticket i play and win 30c.Then i play 25c ON demand i win 6place with 0.69c then 0.5$ HU etc etc i was grow to 112$ than i fall to 87$ and send to PS 65$ to start new grind because i wait 5min on 2.5$ to apear some good for me player no some better player then me
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This thread looks like the usual. player loses and blames the poker sites for stealing his money. there's no sharks, just better players. never deposit more then you can afford to lose.
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ha... if you think that was a funny post from a dude who has 2000 posts, what about this from a dude who has 7000 posts?
the moral consequences of not knowing when to take a poop and what is the appropriate position that must be maintained while doing your thing are what drives full tilt poker to obscurity.
Joined: Dec '11
Location: Macedonia, The former Yugoslav Republic of
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Rather will play poker than arguing with dudes who posting for points. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I decide to post because of Mass propaganda of FULLTILT like OBAMA election 2012. I try to explain what happend on FULLTILT and what is bigest problem in today online poker without USA players. When i read posts from FULLTILT like I read political statement and promise that with changes we will see FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY.cmo000000n dudes with xxxxxx posts i wait for real comment and meanining of new strategy of FT. 1.Problem is LOTERY ( Spins and Jacks) anyone have different opinion? or dont post anymore find some other forum to earn POINTS
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