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  30-Sep-15, 21:02   #1
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initiator 
Joined: Nov '08
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I played a live tournament with friends yesterday.
A guy went allin with 40 000, by only saying allin, he didnt place a single chip in the middle.
I didnt hear him and said " I bet 3500"
what are the rules in this case?
Do I have to: 1: still bet the 3500 and then fold?
2: or fold without placing the bet?
3: can I still call his allin?
4: must I call his allin?

Would be gratfull for answers.
Thank-you

Edited by initiator (Wednesday, September 30, 2015 @ 21:03 GMT)


     
  30-Sep-15, 21:11   #2
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crash58 
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IF he said allin, he doesn't have to move his chips, they dealer has to go buy what he said, and your only option is to call or fold, you do not have to put in those 3500 chips. so the answer is 2 and 3 .
It's the dealers job to correct you, because of noise at the table, it's possible you don't hear.

     
  30-Sep-15, 23:28   #3
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bowie1984 

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Yup, exactly. Once he said allin you have two options (yeah, his chips do not have to move if he said it out loud). So that 3500 chips does not make a difference 'cuz i assume that was not your full chipcount even though you did not heard him well.
Either you call or fold but do not have to do anything else especially if you misheard/misunderstood the situation.

     
  30-Sep-15, 23:43   #4
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initiator 
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Thank-you, the people at the table insisted that the 3500 remain paid. ( spoken word counts)
I will have a word with them next week.

     
  30-Sep-15, 23:53   #5
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crash58 
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as you said you were playing with friends,if they don't agree then thake it as life skills, don't argue with your friends over a few bucks,those friends are more important then a few bucks, and remember you can get it back next time. Worship
If they under stand they will give it back, if not , then write it off. Worship

     
  1-Oct-15, 00:32   #6
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3pokeronly 

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as the above alluded to, the rule is "verbal declarations are binding", so his saying "all in" is fixed, if you had said "raise" you would of been in trouble, even if you could not raise (had less than his 40,000). This should be seen as a small and cheap lesson for yourself, be sure of what has happened in the hand before declaring your intentions.
Good luck all mobster.
3P out

     
  1-Oct-15, 09:09   #7
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StheP 

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dealer should notice you that player is all in and that you cannot bet, so decision is again on you, and you can call, raise or fold...good thing is that you said raise for 3500, so you didnt said just raise, if you said raise, that means that you call his all in and raising above the sum he putt

     
  1-Oct-15, 17:56   #8
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pochui 

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well since it was a tournament with friends, then the only rule that applies is called "go fcuk yourself if you don't like my rules". it's also recommended to weigh the possible consequences of applying this rule beforehand- will you be able to violently kick your friends a55, or are you risking of being mentally and possibly physically raped...

     
  1-Oct-15, 20:00   #9
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Mober 
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If it was a friendly game probably you can find a solution to it.
And i am saying probably, cause when it comes to money friendships dont mean anything,
in many cases Smile So better watch your approach to the subject, trying to explain things Smile

     
  2-Oct-15, 19:21   #10
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bowie1984 

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Posted by pochui:
it's also recommended to weigh the possible consequences of applying this rule beforehand- will you be able to violently kick your friends a55, or are you risking of being mentally and possibly physically raped...

Man, I am literally dying to see a friendly live poker party arranged by pochui himself in Lithuania. Probably the most fun I'd have this year...

     
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