Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 31 (M)
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Hi Bankrollmob. I was away from here for quite a long time, for several reasons, due to real life circumstances that I don't want to express in here. I had a lot of issues the past couple months, especially moneywise, which is the reason my public apology is one reason for. Jovica has loaned me $200 a while back, I don't even remember when it was, maybe in december 2014 or so. I promised to pay him back once money arrives (I go to school to become an educator, but for getting that paid the process is pretty lenghty and takes several months). Once money arrived though, I didnt do what I exactly should have done. I have written (back when I did a blog post) that I used to have an addiction for slots. I had that handled by myself for quite a while, but eventually, it got me back. What happened $-wise you can probably imagine. I undertook acut-ambulant-therapy recently and haven't looked back since. I feel "clean" if you want to call it that. Well, at least that "book of ra" advertisement smiling at me in the forum backround doesn't make me want to play.
To finally come to the point - I want to apologize to Jovica: you were helping me out when I needed it badly, and I did not show thankful enough to give back what was yours. Looking at it now, I can't believe how selfish I was, but that's part of the psychological desease. I pretty much lied to everybody back then, even to my girlfriend that normally means everything to me, I just straight up lied to her at times, objectivly not understand- and acceptable. I admited my addiction to her back then when I was on a down-point and I was probably lucky that she was supporting me instead of throwing me into the "trash can", which would also have been understandable looking at it now, otherwise I'm sure no therapy would have happened and I would have just went on as usual.
What I also want to say to you,Jovica, is, that I can't offer you any $'s just right now. I'm dead broke because my request for money for going to school is again undergoing right now. All my stars account shows is 20FPPs, so I can't just grind it out. I had a friend send me $10 like 2 weeks ago and I badly tried to make something happen badly, playing all formats (cash) accross, but it's not gonna work like this. I've been looking for stakes, but with my history it's not gonna be possible to find something decent, to at least grind $1.50s properly or whatever. So pretty much all I (or we?) can do is wait. I want to assure you I will pay you once I have the chance to. If I can't pay the lump sum at once, I will at least do partial payments. I just want to clean up with this. I know right now it's hard to imagine, but if I wouldn't mean it, I wouldn't post it here.
Joined: Nov '10
Location: Serbia
Age: 37 (M)
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It is nice of you to make apology but your story doesn't add up. You had multiple opportunities to pay me back from your poker earnings. From point when I loaned you money to this day you have 2000$ in profits according to sharkscope. You stop any contact with me in February and you grinded and made money on daily basis. I will put images of sharkscope. It is my fault for being good person and wanting to help fellow poker player. Obviously I shouldn't trust anyone because people are mostly scumbags. If I may add, I live in Bosnia, you live in Germany and you owe me money. Dont you find that ridiculous? Do you know that I make my living from my poker earnings? And you know, because I told you, that my father have lung cancer, so you never thought what if he needs that money to help his father in Bosnia (place where people work entire month for that). I wanted to get in touch with you first. You have 1 month to send me money. If you dont do so, I will put your info along with this tread on 2+2 negative feedback tread to prevent other to make same mistake as I did. GL
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I see that another saga, is unfolding here. (is that the right word? ) I would never had imagined something like that, between these two. But i see a deadline here which is not too far, so we will see the end of this shortly
Joined: Feb '11
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I explained above where the money went. I was staked at that time and whatever my profit split was, it was cashed out and "burned" immediatly. As bad as this sounds, this was the way it went (while I realize this might not be understandable for anyone not having had to deal with it, or something similar). You living in bosnia has nothing to do about this case, I have a zero (in numbers, not a single cent by myself) of income for the process of right now if I can't play poker. Please re-read my post because it seems you didn't understand quite a few things. While I understand your anger, it also makes no sense to give me a deadline. If money doesn't arrive end of october then I can't send you anything by the time (unless I crush the common cents kickoff tomorrow).
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It doesnt matter can you after one year give me money back or not. Thats when I will post on 2+2. I waited to speak with you and now since we spoke Im giving you time. I think thats fair. Or would you like another year perhaps? Purpose of giving you deadline is not to extract money but to be fair and give you chance to fix things. After that I will do whats in my power to warn other people. You already have negative feedback by Colin Moshman there but another one cant hurt. Obviously, I will also try to sit at your tables in future in my spare time and have some fun.
------------ Oh, and yes, living in Germany makes difference. Because you can find job for couple of days you know and earn that money in heart beat.
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Posted by Mober: I see that another saga, is unfolding here. (is that the right word? ) I would never had imagined something like that, between these two. But i see a deadline here which is not too far, so we will see the end of this shortly
No saga really, just my stupidity.
Edited by jovicakralj (04 October 2015 @ 17:37 GMT)
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Well this sucks that is why it is not good to share money especially online, if it was real life you would have the means to get it back, like using goons and so all but online you dont have much options , just have to get his personal details and scam him and tel people about it and get him banned and all , anyway peace out hope you guys resolve those issues and have fun at the tables and good luck have fun peace out mate again!
Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 34 (M)
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hey Jovica, you are 100% right, because our situations is the same... we live in country where (take my brother as example) he have master in engeenering for 2 years, and he cant find a job, and live with his parents, and he is 30 year old... also he is freaking genious in programing, and still he cant find job!!!! He search evry single day, and if he find decend job he wouldnt have more than 400-500$ per month with master degree!!! There is massive amount of people from Serbia and Bosnia that are going to Germany to find job, to work so they can feed our familes here... And it is like Jovica say RIDICULES that he borrow you money, and more redicules is that you cant pay him back??? Come on man you live in germany how much do you need to earn 200$??? If it is other way, I would completly understand, if you lend jovica money and he blow away and he cant pay you back, because like he said most pople here earn 200$ for 1 month O.o
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I see it was a mistake to post here, but okay, weak moment. I have school fulltime from 9am to 5pm, where do you want me to work alongside? If I find a side-job right now, working alongside, say starting tomorrow, I will still not get any money before mid/end november, that's how it works here, will most likely have school money before or at least at that time anyways. Also,don't think it's that easy being not flexible (timewise) and since I live in a city that is largely for university students where part-time-jobs are prefered to take them on. I understand you guys hear minimum wage over here is 8.50€/hour pre taxes (which is correct), this will still not solve the issue within a couple days because it's not like they hand you out the money immediatly or whatever you expect. What do you want me to do? You want me to apologize that I don't know my father so that the process of getting that money takes several months? That's not something I have control of.
If you want to hunt me down now then that's your right to do, no problem, but this will not benifit you except having enjoyment doing so, nor will it speed up the process.
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I am not a part of this argue, its between you and jovica, but if I took $ from anyone and make profit from it, like you did, first thing I would do is pay back... I couldnt sleep calm if I owe someone that amount of money, you had sevaral profits, as it says on sharkskope, why you didnt pay him back, and with rest of profit go on slots if you are addicted... I was addicted to slots long time ago (in high school) but it was only for 1 month (lucky for me) but if I owe someone 200$ and I make lets say 300$ on poker, first thing I would do is pay back 200$ and continue playing with 100$ that are left... thats just my opinion... Like I said, its not my argue, its between you and jovica, and I am done on this thread...
------------ now if you are trustworthy, I hope you will make some profit on common cents, and pay him back, may I suggest if you dont collect 200$ profit, or lets say 100$ pay him back 50$ and 50$ use to make more profit, so you can pay him back in parts... thats my suggestion, hope you 2 will sort it out...
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: I see it was a mistake to post here, but okay, weak moment.
What you wanted? You cut any contact 8 months ago and now you apologize? How huge of you sir! Let me praise you! You don't need to give me money back because you apologized and you have nasty addiction for shitty games? You apologized so that makes you nice and fair person? Only way you can make it right is to return money soon as possible and prove that you really made a honest mistake and that you are sorry. Only that will stop making me think that Im stupidest and most naive person on this shitty planet. And trust me it is not about money.
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you are not stupid jovica, many people make same mistake, arsenej did it, that guy that gived peter money, pinotte lended 10$ and didnt see a dime... there is a lot of people that make same mistake, that doesnt mean you are stupid, that means you trust people too much...
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 31 (M)
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Playing slots for 1 month and stopping from one day to another is not addiction. If it's easy like this, like when you are still aware of what it can cause, then that's not too bad. If you can play just for enjoyment then slots are great fun. You can pretty much compare it with an alcoholic, as weird as it sounds, it's indeed the case. It causes for me all kinds of problems, everytime I was $50 or so in profit I asked for a profit split just to get in there... sometimes I won, but being addicted and winning doesn't get you anywhere, you end up maybe buying a pack of cigs and then play as long as it's all gone again. If it was as easy to even think of doing the right thing when you have an addiction, I would have done it. However, even in real life I struggled, paying my bills wasn't priority anymore and I was lucky if I ended up paying them.
As for common Cents, I'm only registered in the 1-Cent one (I hope they make FPP sats for the higher ones) so for $100 I need like what? Final Table? I doubt it and don't plan with it.
I have to say I didn't make this thread for a free ride of everyone attacking me. Neither for anyone saying "OMG you're so great you do the right thing". I made this thread to show I really mean it. I didn't expect sympathism, but I neither expected so many unrelated, misinformed posts of uninvolved people, and by now I truly regret opening up this thread instead of just communicating privately.
Joined: Jun '11
Location: United Kingdom
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bemyat,the long and short of it is you asked for a mobster to help,you, had the chance to pay back and you let an addiction make you look like a freeloading shyster,jovi is 1 of the most trusted and respected mobsters and needs the respect paid back(along with the money)I don't think you done the right thing opening this thread but have to give you some respect for your open apology but its still a bad thing to do to a mobster....
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Posted by jovicakralj: It doesnt matter can you after one year give me money back or not. Thats when I will post on 2+2. I waited to speak with you and now since we spoke Im giving you time. I think thats fair. Or would you like another year perhaps? Purpose of giving you deadline is not to extract money but to be fair and give you chance to fix things. After that I will do whats in my power to warn other people. You already have negative feedback by Colin Moshman there but another one cant hurt. Obviously, I will also try to sit at your tables in future in my spare time and have some fun.
------------ Oh, and yes, living in Germany makes difference. Because you can find job for couple of days you know and earn that money in heart beat.
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Posted by Mober: I see that another saga, is unfolding here. (is that the right word? ) I would never had imagined something like that, between these two. But i see a deadline here which is not too far, so we will see the end of this shortly
No saga really, just my stupidity.
Ive been doing this with the cum burping ditch pig who ripped me off RLdiamond, rani.salhab. following him around forums and poker sites. Trust me it is very satisfying as for this issue ill keep my two cents to myself as i have great respect for both parties. Hopefully it will all work out in the end
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i can see forum reg helping each other out with few bucks sometimes but to give 200$ that shows generosity and kindness from jovicakralj and not to pay him was not cool i would borrow money from family and friends because at least they can wait for you and i would pay the stranger in the internet who decided to help me because i don't know what his life is like
and i have to disagree on the whole Germany discussion , i have lived in Germany for two years and it is most definitely a developed country .. but they don't give money on the streets and poor people exist there as well
at least BeMyATMplz realize his mistake , hopefully he will keep his promise .. most people would take the money and never come back so there is no need to take this any further , give him more time
Joined: Feb '11
Location: United Kingdom
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So! Life kicks in and we all start to realise the cr@p that's out there..... But only once it's too late and the good are burned.
Morals to the story?
1. Never lend money to anyone..... especially someone who has an addiction to gambling and intends to merely burn the money chasing losses. 2. Never make an apology with a condition attached. You will get ripped up and burned. 3. Never get involved in other people's issues! oOops!
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Jovica sorry to read what happened with BMAbut above all really sad for your father problem: hope everything get solved for the better way.
Posted by Skpmorita: i can see forum reg helping each other out with few bucks sometimes but to give 200$ that shows generosity and kindness from jovicakralj and not to pay him was not cool i would borrow money from family and friends because at least they can wait for you and i would pay the stranger in the internet who decided to help me because i don't know what his life is like
Couldn't represent better my thought on this vicissitude
Posted by Skpmorita:
at least BeMyATMplz realize his mistake , hopefully he will keep his promise .. most people would take the money and never come back so there is no need to take this any further , give him more time
..and yes, this is a little tiny point in favour of BMA: he recognized he was wrong (many people just would disappear) but it is not enough in my opinion. And some people (I mean me) have the doubt he is making his public apology because, being him often staked, he was worried about this happening could get public on 2+2.
@BeMyATMplz if you really want to recover some credibility you should start sending at least partial refundings to Jovi...maybe on a weekly basis. Find a way to earn some money and do the right thing man
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With my history I'm not getting staked again by stables anyways, as for posting on 2+2 because I was staked often that's not the matter, and I also don't think end of october he would have posted by himself, as for the matter with the timeline. I neither care about my credibility, that's at latest now gone for good anyways no matter on further actions, it's simply about making good for a mistake I did to someone who didn't deserve bad done to him. There is other stuff as well that I would have to pay, if I actually could, like having my ID extended (my passport expired on 21st september and I don't have the 26€ to extend it), my bank account is in the negative.. how am I expected to pay money on a weekly basis? Collecting bottles on the street to earn 5€/week (an amount I can't even deposit)? Might as well rather have no money at all currently.. all I can do for myself and for jovi, is hope that I will finally get payment at the end of the month... or crush the common cent... or do something fancy with my 20FPPs.
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: With my history I'm not getting staked again by stables anyways, as for posting on 2+2 because I was staked often that's not the matter, and I also don't think end of october he would have posted by himself, as for the matter with the timeline. I neither care about my credibility, that's at latest now gone for good anyways no matter on further actions, it's simply about making good for a mistake I did to someone who didn't deserve bad done to him. There is other stuff as well that I would have to pay, if I actually could, like having my ID extended (my passport expired on 21st september and I don't have the 26� to extend it), my bank account is in the negative.. how am I expected to pay money on a weekly basis? Collecting bottles on the street to earn 5�/week (an amount I can't even deposit)? Might as well rather have no money at all currently.. all I can do for myself and for jovi, is hope that I will finally get payment at the end of the month... or crush the common cent... or do something fancy with my 20FPPs.
LOL, you are starting to attacking me for asking my money after 1 year. Like I got you in problems. May I ask what you eat? electricity? internet? How you pay for those? Tell me I want to know in what world you can live without having single dollar? I dont want to argue here. I appreciate that you at least apologized but you keep writing nonsense.
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Please outline where I attacked you. Also, I live at home (grandparents) for the time being that I can't afford an own flat. I don't know how it's over there but here it's more than common that people stay at home until they are actually able to work in the job they learn. I am behind paying my school bills (90€ per month), behind paying back the 2 credit cards I busted, all that stuff I can easily pay when I have that money, until then everything is delayed, in all aspects, and as much as you hate it and hate me for it I can't speed it up. I can show you pic of my bankstatement showing over 100€ deficit, my empty stars cashier, whatever you want if you fucking like it (you seem to).
Edited by BeMyATMplz (05 October 2015 @ 11:48 GMT)
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as for this issue ill keep my two cents to myself as i have great respect for both parties. Hopefully it will all work out in the end
