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Phil Ivey Might Still Get His 8 Million - Granted Court Appeal Against Crockfords

Tags: Crockfords, edge sorting, Phil Ivey, punto banco
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2015 by "T".
Phil Ivey, 39, was denied his winnings of almost £8 million in August 2012 after playing a card game called punto banco at a casino in London. The owners of the Mayfair gaming club Crockfords declared that Mr. Ivey had been cheating and had broken the rules, thereby his win is not considered valid. Denying this, Mr. Ivey claimed that he utilized a completely legitimate technique called "edg[...]   Read more » Phil Ivey Might Still Get His 8 Million - Granted Court Appeal Against Crockfords

  1-Dec-15, 16:37   #1
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klash23 
Joined: Mar '12
Location: United Kingdom
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I wish Phil Ivey good luck in his appeal,he must really want to clear his name as taking this sort of case through the courts in London is probably costing him a fortune . I have said this before but the casino allowed him to dictate the play so I have no sympathy for the casino and they were quite happy for play to go on when he was losing.

     
  2-Dec-15, 02:30   #2
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bowie1984 

Joined: Apr '12
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I have said this before but the casino allowed him to dictate the play so I have no sympathy for the casino and they were quite happy for play to go on when he was losing.

TBH there is no hero nor villain in this story, both side's opinion have gotten a bit questionble when it came to full story, so I hope nobody will be happy with the decision...

     
  2-Dec-15, 08:19   #3
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
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well to be honest how can you call cheating when someone uses casino decks to play game according to casino rules? did he change the deck when no one noticed? no... did he bamboozle the croupier... yes- but that is croupier's and casino's problem not ivey's. croupier could have said no to ivey's requests and casino would not lose money... he said yes and the casino surveillance dudes had nothing against it... so they are responsible for their own losses.

     
  2-Dec-15, 09:04   #4
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
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Yep. Lame argument from the casino. But good enough to win the first round. Lesson from this. If one should ever win at a casino, take the money and run. Then they have to sue the player, and comming up with such case, after the dealer was the only one touching the cards, and paying out the money in the first place, will be much more difficult for them.

     
  2-Dec-15, 14:17   #5
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Fakiry 

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If the cards have some kind of problem that allows the player to take advantage of it in the game, what does that have to do with cheating? It wasn't the player who chose the cards... Come on, Ivey deserves the money. If he goes to dices and he realizes the dice have some edges rounder than others, can he complain about that to the casino?

     
  3-Dec-15, 02:45   #6
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bowie1984 

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Posted by Fakiry:
If he goes to dices and he realizes the dice have some edges rounder than others, can he complain about that to the casino?

Of course he can. But Ivey will never ever gonna play craps on these kinda limits.

     
  3-Dec-15, 11:04   #7
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coinflip23 
Joined: Apr '10
Location: United Kingdom
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The casino agreed to the rules of the game and used the deck at the request of Ivey. They should pay out. Although technically it's not cheating I can't help but think he comes across as a greedy gambler in this scandal. He's already absolutely minted so why bother?

     
  6-Dec-15, 21:05   #8
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Cardmonkey 

Joined: Feb '14
Location: Canada
Age: 29 (M)
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All matters regarding what cards to use are ultimately the call of the Casino, if the casino is using cards that are marked or lets say different from each other in design, then that is their bad. Phil Ivey is obviously a very smart and observant individual. Good for him.

     
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