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  2-Jan-16, 13:39   #21
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StheP 

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Posted by Skpmorita:
i don't care about Ike Haxton
but when they fire a coach in football they gave him lot of money .. but you never hear that in the news

so he can't leave unless he is ready to pay them which is logical to wait couple months (why give them more money)

and he can't speak bad about them or about the work they are doing while he is under contract because that leads to breaking their agreement which leads to them suing him and getting money Dollar

you had good arguments in the discussion with StheP
but you can't just use the one " why did he didn't talk before or why did he finish his contract and stay extra two months "

because if i was a lawyer i would tell him " suck it up and keep it inside till 2016 or you gonna face consequences "

exactly

     
  2-Jan-16, 13:40   #22
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Posted by Skpmorita:
i don't care about Ike Haxton
but when they fire a coach in football they gave him lot of money .. but you never hear that in the news

so he can't leave unless he is ready to pay them which is logical to wait couple months (why give them more money)

and he can't speak bad about them or about the work they are doing while he is under contract because that leads to breaking their agreement which leads to them suing him and getting money Dollar

you had good arguments in the discussion with StheP
but you can't just use the one " why did he didn't talk before or why did he finish his contract and stay extra two months "

because if i was a lawyer i would tell him " suck it up and keep it inside till 2016 or you gonna face consequences "


Which I have no problem with.

My problem is people saying he is doing this as a moral issue. If it was, he would have walked straight away instead of waiting.

People break contracts in the real world all the time, if he really felt that strongly he would have acted way before it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying you are not going to be extending a contract btw.

     
  2-Jan-16, 13:42   #23
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Wow, i knew u were a spicy one, just had no idea how much Big Smile

First u start defending stars "Why would I have a personal vendetta against Stars? I am fairly sure I am standing up for them here and said I would play on Stars more from now on" then u went to work on Ike, and still with the blind eye, ok mb he had a friend who found a way to cheat on high stakes, but then again all those guys that play high stakes can afford to lose, since they have money and a good bankroll managing skills Big Smile

Ike was "employed" at stars??? U really have different idea what sponsor means Big Smile he was cashing in for being part of the team pro`s that Jokerstars likes to brag they have signed, they receive cash so that stars can brag bout the NAMES of the big players that play on stars, Ike is not a gard dog, to warn people of cheating, thats not he`s "job" at stars, and u went right after that to attack stars on how they made it so difficult for micro stakes players by raising the rake "insanely high".
My remark on his week voice making him look and sound a bit gay, its coz its the truth, i am not homophobic, what people shove in their b-hind`s is their business, all i am saying bout it, if he`s gay, he should come out of the closet, no need to hide, be who u are, where ever u are, there is nothing more liberating then that.

I knew u had much against HUD`s, and u still think players that use them have bigger edge on other players, well i cant change your mind, except to say, try one, and ull see how BIG of an edge u have over other players Big Smile

And finally u finished by attacking stars, unlike your opening where u defend them, and their business model by making their platform look more casino like, now this only makes sense in a woman`s mind, being on both side`s of the spectrum and still being right about it Big Smile that`s a phenomenon that men will never understand, mb coz we are more rational, mb not, who ever made us that different can only tell Big Smile

Edited by SBEP (Saturday, January 02, 2016 @ 13:48 GMT)


     
  2-Jan-16, 13:43   #24
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Posted by IceQueenAce:
Posted by Skpmorita:
i don't care about Ike Haxton
but when they fire a coach in football they gave him lot of money .. but you never hear that in the news

so he can't leave unless he is ready to pay them which is logical to wait couple months (why give them more money)

and he can't speak bad about them or about the work they are doing while he is under contract because that leads to breaking their agreement which leads to them suing him and getting money Dollar

you had good arguments in the discussion with StheP
but you can't just use the one " why did he didn't talk before or why did he finish his contract and stay extra two months "

because if i was a lawyer i would tell him " suck it up and keep it inside till 2016 or you gonna face consequences "


Which I have no problem with.

My problem is people saying he is doing this as a moral issue. If it was, he would have walked straight away instead of waiting.

People break contracts in the real world all the time, if he really felt that strongly he would have acted way before it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying you are not going to be extending a contract btw.

if he just walk awey, they would sue him, and take from him a lot of money (more that they gived to him) would you do that?

     
  2-Jan-16, 13:52   #25
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Posted by StheP:

this tells me all.. again you are saying scripts, and pokerstars didnt ban scripts... what are you talking about???I am talking about vip changes, they didnt ban scripts...

P.S. this tells me all... all players that are using scripts play same when they are not using, and they are targeting you because you dont know to play, and they can see mistakes you are making and take advantege on you, like I would do with or without hud...hud just make slightly easier proces to do, but they can (also I ) can figure out what player are you with or without hud... and that will make my decision... only thing for you to make a profit is to learn more, and improve your gameplay, and not by complaining about hud... I can play without hud with easy, and my gameplay will not change at all... all players that are using huds will tell you same... their gameplay will not change that much, they will make same decisions...



Ok the first part is you not understanding and the second part is factually incorrect so let me discuss them both separately.

There are scripts, such as seating scripts, that scan all tables looking for weak players and auto-sit you at the tables with weak players (especially short handed and HU games), and as soon as the weak players leave, they auto-stand you and follow more fish. These are not huds and are incredibly damaging to the game.
Now, the players who are complaining loudest (the grinders) use a lot of software to get edges, including, but not limited to, seating scripts, huds, pokertracker, sharkscope etc). They use these because they get an edge from it. If they don't get an edge there would be no use using them.


Now as for huds, to suggest you don't get any edge with them is farcical at best. Are you really telling me that if you have TT for instance and someone shoves, you will make the same decision if someone has 80% Vpip compared to 10%? Because if you are, you suck at using huds.

Huds give a great advantage to players, allowing them to play more tables with greater effieciency and take more money from fish at a faster rate.

When sites talk about banning huds (party for example), who complains loudest? I will tell you, the people who use them because they need to keep their edge. They fear that if they lose their edge they wont make money from the game.

If you need software just to win, you aren't a decent player, you are a human bot.

     
  2-Jan-16, 13:59   #26
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Posted by IceQueenAce:
Posted by StheP:

this tells me all.. again you are saying scripts, and pokerstars didnt ban scripts... what are you talking about???I am talking about vip changes, they didnt ban scripts...

P.S. this tells me all... all players that are using scripts play same when they are not using, and they are targeting you because you dont know to play, and they can see mistakes you are making and take advantege on you, like I would do with or without hud...hud just make slightly easier proces to do, but they can (also I ) can figure out what player are you with or without hud... and that will make my decision... only thing for you to make a profit is to learn more, and improve your gameplay, and not by complaining about hud... I can play without hud with easy, and my gameplay will not change at all... all players that are using huds will tell you same... their gameplay will not change that much, they will make same decisions...



Ok the first part is you not understanding and the second part is factually incorrect so let me discuss them both separately.

There are scripts, such as seating scripts, that scan all tables looking for weak players and auto-sit you at the tables with weak players (especially short handed and HU games), and as soon as the weak players leave, they auto-stand you and follow more fish. These are not huds and are incredibly damaging to the game.
Now, the players who are complaining loudest (the grinders) use a lot of software to get edges, including, but not limited to, seating scripts, huds, pokertracker, sharkscope etc). They use these because they get an edge from it. If they don't get an edge there would be no use using them.


Now as for huds, to suggest you don't get any edge with them is farcical at best. Are you really telling me that if you have TT for instance and someone shoves, you will make the same decision if someone has 80% Vpip compared to 10%? Because if you are, you suck at using huds.

Huds give a great advantage to players, allowing them to play more tables with greater effieciency and take more money from fish at a faster rate.

When sites talk about banning huds (party for example), who complains loudest? I will tell you, the people who use them because they need to keep their edge. They fear that if they lose their edge they wont make money from the game.

If you need software just to win, you aren't a decent player, you are a human bot.

first I know what are seating scripts, and I am against seating scripts, but this is not topic...
second I will made same decision with TT with or without HUD, because I will figure it out how many pots you are involved, and how you play in some kind of situations, as I do now when I am using HUD, and as I did before when I didnt, also I make notes on players, that make my decisions even better...so my answer is I will play same TT with or without HUD, and again HUD doesnt give advantage that much, your bad play is giving us advantage... and still I dont know why are you speaking about huds... this are vip changes...

     
  2-Jan-16, 14:05   #27
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Posted by StheP:

second I will made same decision with TT with or without HUD, because I will figure it out how many pots you are involved, and how you play in some kind of situations, as I do now when I am using HUD, and as I did before when I didnt, also I make notes on players, that make my decisions even better...so my answer is I will play same TT with or without HUD, and again HUD doesnt give advantage that much, your bad play is giving us advantage... and still I dont know why are you speaking about huds... this are vip changes...


Really?

So I just sit down at a table and you have TT. I've only been there two minutes yet you have come across me before in other games.

And you are going to have the same decision based on two minutes of play, as you have over 1000 previous hands? And no, I wouldn't believe that you would remember those hands over the many tens of thousands you may play in days/weeks/months.

Cause if you say yes, im calling b******t.

Again, I didn't mention huds, someone else did. I just answered them.

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Posted by StheP:

if he just walk awey, they would sue him, and take from him a lot of money (more that they gived to him) would you do that?


Mutual consent would have sorted that no problem.

And actually yes, I left a full time permanent job in the belief I was good enough to get another one, with nothing to go to and no income, because morally I was so against something it made it impossible for me to stay.

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Posted by SBEP:
Wow, i knew u were a spicy one, just had no idea how much Big Smile


Well, I don't believe you are thinking through the issues properly, I think you are just skimming the surface and coming up with incorrect reasoning and I am trying to explain why I think you are incorrect.

Posted by SBEP:First u start defending stars "Why would I have a personal vendetta against Stars? I am fairly sure I am standing up for them here and said I would play on Stars more from now on" then u went to work on Ike, and still with the blind eye, ok mb he had a friend who found a way to cheat on high stakes, but then again all those guys that play high stakes can afford to lose, since they have money and a good bankroll managing skills Big Smile


I will play on stars more if there are less regs. That is a fact. I play where I can make the most profit.
Ike knew someone cheated and did nothing. He just him carry on cheating. That also is a fact.

Posted by SBEP: Ike was "employed" at stars??? U really have different idea what sponsor means Big Smile he was cashing in for being part of the team pro`s that Jokerstars likes to brag they have signed, they receive cash so that stars can brag bout the NAMES of the big players that play on stars, Ike is not a gard dog, to warn people of cheating, thats not he`s "job" at stars,


Sponsors can have way more power than the execs, you only have to look at the downfall of fifa Tongue
He was sponsored by stars, he wasn't just a sponsor though. He had open dialogue with the top guys and they took advice from him. He even moved to Malta to be by their head offices, which is way more than a normal sponsor would do. For all extents and purposes he was an employee.

However, we really don't need to get dogged down by the semantics of language.

Posted by SBEP: and u went right after that to attack stars on how they made it so difficult for micro stakes players by raising the rake "insanely high".


My point being, he only decided it was morally right when it started affecting his high stakes mates. He was fine with draining it from the little guys.
This is one of my whole issues with the whole strike action thing, its all from elite people protecting elite people with no care about the small guys. Sounds like politicians just trying to keep there hand in the begging bowl.


Posted by SBEP:My remark on his week voice making him look and sound a bit gay, its coz its the truth, i am not homophobic, what people shove in their b-hind`s is their business, all i am saying bout it, if he`s gay, he should come out of the closet, no need to hide, be who u are, where ever u are, there is nothing more liberating then that.



The fact it even registers as something you felt you needed to say makes it homophobic. He isn't a gay man, he isn't a straight man. He is just a man. Why would his sexual orientation have any baring on the conversation? It doesn't, yet you used it anyway.

Posted by SBEP:I knew u had much against HUD`s, and u still think players that use them have bigger edge on other players, well i cant change your mind, except to say, try one, and ull see how BIG of an edge u have over other players Big Smile


Just 5% as was quoted here is a massive edge, and I think it is more.

That said, I used huds a lot in the past and still have the software if I wanted to use it. I don't because basically I got lazy and real life took over, so I don't play so much to need it.

But to suggest they don't give an edge is ludicrous, hell even there advertising is all about how it gives you an edge Tongue


Posted by SBEP:And finally u finished by attacking stars, unlike your opening where u defend them, and their business model by making their platform look more casino like, now this only makes sense in a woman`s mind, being on both side`s of the spectrum and still being right about it Big Smile that`s a phenomenon that men will never understand, mb coz we are more rational, mb not, who ever made us that different can only tell Big Smile


Ahh here we go, lost the argument so lets go sexist on top of the homophobic nonsense. What's next, blame it all on the local black person?

I didn't attack stars and I didn't defend them.

I opened by saying I would play there more.
I closed by saying they are going down the casino route.

These are both pretty much fact. Why would those statements need to be on opposing sides of any argument?

#Dudeyoujustgotowned

Edited by IceQueenAce (Saturday, January 02, 2016 @ 14:20 GMT)


     
  2-Jan-16, 14:35   #28
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Just like a woman, had to have the last word Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile
1 more thing, in stead of icequeen u should have gone with feistyqeen Big Smile suit u more Blink
Nothing but Heart Heart Heart 4 U Blink

     
  2-Jan-16, 14:40   #29
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As much lf an impact these changes are gonna male and also the strikes will make who really knows we just gotta wait and see. Were talking about it here and so is everyother forum. Everyones got there opionion and tbh i could care less what happends to stars they can fail or become stronger...i am courious to see if the opinions of the players can actually sway an empire like stars or if they just dont care about there players opinions. At the end of the day pokers poker no matter were i play. With or without stars for a recreational player i could careless what site i play on but would rather go to a site that gives decent promos and bonuses then a site that offers nothing

     
  2-Jan-16, 14:40   #30
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Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  2-Jan-16, 15:09   #31
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Hey, look on the bright side.
Liv Boeree is still there, isn't she?
No one wants to lose her!!!

     
  2-Jan-16, 16:11   #32
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Posted by Tony_MON7ANA:
Hey, look on the bright side.
Liv Boeree is still there, isn't she?
No one wants to lose her!!!


well she has no morals Big Smile
watch this clip before she played poker and become "famous"
she tricked the guy in this Game Show Big Smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6GhbT-zEfc

     
  2-Jan-16, 16:29   #33
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Posted by Skpmorita:
Posted by Tony_MON7ANA:
Hey, look on the bright side.
Liv Boeree is still there, isn't she?
No one wants to lose her!!!


well she has no morals Big Smile
watch this clip before she played poker and become "famous"
she tricked the guy in this Game Show Big Smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6GhbT-zEfc

for me, she isnt even hot... she is just around average...

     
  2-Jan-16, 16:35   #34
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Yeah, too hot/clever to be a girlfriend of mine...

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Saturday, January 02, 2016 @ 16:48 GMT)


     
  2-Jan-16, 16:36   #35
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I used to enjoy watching that show and seeing who are, frankly, to thick to deserve to win.

She should always go steal, everyone should.

If you go steal, you either get 100% or nothing.
If you go share, you either get 50% or nothing.

So many people went share! Didn't take long though for people to start realising stealing was the only way to go and after that the game was pointless

     
  2-Jan-16, 16:39   #36
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Posted by IceQueenAce:
I used to enjoy watching that show and seeing who are, frankly, to thick to deserve to win.

She should always go steal, everyone should.

If you go steal, you either get 100% or nothing.
If you go share, you either get 50% or nothing.

So many people went share! Didn't take long though for people to start realising stealing was the only way to go and after that the game was pointless

and that reavile what type of person are you... I wouldnt stub in the back anyone for couple of grand, he deserve money as much as I am... and I live in country where 250 euro is average monthly paycheck...
this only lowers her in my eyes...

     
  2-Jan-16, 17:07   #37
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Its a gameshow.

No different to slowplaying your flopped nut full house against a fish Tongue

     
  2-Jan-16, 17:49   #38
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it is most definitely you should always pick " steal "
you can never lose the game when you pick "steal " because if the other guy picks " steal " , you are going with nothing either you pick " split " or " steal "
that is how a computer would play ..

but i would always pick split .. some people value integrity above money .. i can't stand and listen to another human being talking about splitting and needing the money for his family and lying to his face .. sharing is caring Big Smile

i love how this topic goes from ike haxton to pokerstars to legal contract issues to game shows strategies

     
  2-Jan-16, 18:03   #39
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Posted by IceQueenAce:
Its a gameshow.

No different to slowplaying your flopped nut full house against a fish Tongue

yes it is gameshow... and also what you should know is that if evry single person think like you than most likely you will go home with nothing... also its called steal... that actualy mean to take something that isnt actualy yours... which is in this case... and I think stealing is bad, and I wouldnt be friend with some person that stealing is normal and "right thing to do" because maybe he will have "odds" to steal something from me... in Liv case... guy said to here we should split, and she took it as a weaknes... thats just sick greedy motherphucker... I would spit on her face after that... for real...she wanted 3250 pounds more, so she sell herself for that kind of money... i could never be friends with such person....

     
  2-Jan-16, 18:14   #40
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IMO this thread is really going out of order. This forum is suppose to be giving your opinions and respect others opinions even if they are not like yours. What i am seeing here is a battle of two forum reg. for a matter that have nothing to fight about.

Sthep you should go read Daniel Negreanu blog concerning POkerStars changes very interesting. Confused Confused

     
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