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Posted by damosk: Wow! I love this thread.
I have a couple of comments and a couple of observations, one for each of IQA and PINOTTE.
I acknowledge the comments and views of all posters in this thread, which goes towards supporting my comments.
Poker etiquette is simply that. We cannot expect opponents to play how we ourselves play. That is why poker is so fantastic.... Just don't get hung up on opponents always doing the right thing. It has oft been said that to win poker you have to make the wrong move (according to what etiquette expects) at the right time.
I like this comment damosk, but I don't understand this comment :
What I mean by etiquette is playing the game according to the purists view, i.e. only raise when you have a great hand and don't play rubbish hands that might upset people...... Etiquette is probably the wrong term but so many people get upset when opponents don't play standard poker....... They need to get a life and try it for themselves. (Essentially PINOTTE ( as indeed do many players) doesn't like that you called his raise when you merely had an inferior hand..... As though that is not the done thing...... Etiquette!)
Is that mean we should not play crap card/rubbish hand ? Even I didn't get premium hand for long time and blind start break my stack ? Is there written poker's etiquette ? I just think we should not angry or upset to our opponent when get bad beat ( losing by rubbish hand ) cause poker theory just guidance or something from expert - not etiquette so they free to create their own theory
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I will agree with you. maybe you can call also a bad beat if you had same hi card than your oponent, but higher kicker, and he hit his kicker (4 outs) that can be also a bad beat, but it depends on what player consider bad beat
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Posted by Serpang:
I like this comment damosk, but I don't understand this comment :
What I mean by etiquette is playing the game according to the purists view, i.e. only raise when you have a great hand and don't play rubbish hands that might upset people...... Etiquette is probably the wrong term but so many people get upset when opponents don't play standard poker....... They need to get a life and try it for themselves. (Essentially PINOTTE ( as indeed do many players) doesn't like that you called his raise when you merely had an inferior hand..... As though that is not the done thing...... Etiquette!)
Is that mean we should not play crap card/rubbish hand ? Even I didn't get premium hand for long time and blind start break my stack ? Is there written poker's etiquette ? I just think we should not angry or upset to our opponent when get bad beat ( losing by rubbish hand ) cause poker theory just guidance or something from expert - not etiquette so they free to create their own theory
Serpang...... I mean exactly the opposite. We should be able to play rubbish hands (or even small suited connectors ) . The point I make is that we (PINOTTE in this case) should not get upset when someone does play a weaker hand and then wins at the river, just because we think weaker hands should not be played.
We should also remember that such play is (in the main) not personal. We should also remember that pre flop monsters are simply that! Pre flop monsters. Once the board starts to develop we should adapt according to what we a represented with in terms of all of the facets of poker, and not just focus on our own pre flop monster!
The other point that I have not made, but will now, is that such play does not make a player a maniac. A maniac may have played a small suited connector, say 45h and played on when the board came up as Ks Qd Ac .
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Serpang...... I mean exactly the opposite. We should be able to play rubbish hands (or even small suited connectors ) . The point I make is that we (PINOTTE in this case) should not get upset when someone does play a weaker hand and then wins at the river, just because we think weaker hands should not be played.
We should also remember that such play is (in the main) not personal. We should also remember that pre flop monsters are simply that! Pre flop monsters. Once the board starts to develop we should adapt according to what we a represented with in terms of all of the facets of poker, and not just focus on our own pre flop monster!
The other point that I have not made, but will now, is that such play does not make a player a maniac. A maniac may have played a small suited connector, say 45h and played on when the board came up as Ks Qd Ac . [/QUOTE]
To damosk I made one mistake in my thread in saying i don't respect you i should have said no respect for the play. And suited maniacs i just my way of telling that i don't like these play.
This said i agree that peoples have the right to play any cards they wants. However i think that i also have the right of telling that i don't like or respect this kind of play.
Just go all around the forum and you will see many post that are complaining about play they don't like.
I just can't say that a don't respect a person that i don't know personally.
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I would never think that this thread will go that far On the other hand it revolves around a subject that has been brought up in the past from other users too.
Just try not to let it get into you and to your nerves Never a good thing.
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I just read last couple of post, dont have time to read all thread, but I have to agree with damosk, but there are preflop maniacs that shove 54 pre, and have stack like 50BB... thats insaine for me, and thats for sure bad play, and he is obv a maniac. but if you play 54 or any other rag card and hit, and get most of it, you are not maniac, you just played your hand and win. what cards I will play it depends of position, chip stack, how player play that I am against. Sometimes I even play 27, and hit preaty good and get most value from it...
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if you feel lucky and you have a good stack and the tournament is not that big, why not playing any crap cards you get.
The chances though doing the same kind of play in a real money game or a good tournament, i believe they are way less, from the majority of players playing like this.
me too, look usual but....maybe that is make poker interesting ! so many unpredictable variant ,more than chess I thought. Really need good concentration. I often lost big chips even out of tourney cause simple mistake.
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Posted by callie28: what about my AA v 66 IQA,not sure if you seen it,just another hit to piss me off.... ,hope you pick up something and get a cash in that one..gl...
sorry didn't see it. but I haven't cashed anything in ages so I guess I didn't pick anything up
Posted by IceQueenAce: Can I have your thoughts on:
a) my preflop play and b) Pinotte's play through all 3 streets.
a) Not really sure, but it's mostly not good to limp, but I do that too sometimes with small pocket pairs, and some suited connectors. I think it might be too easy for opponents to put you on a range. Pinotte's response is a textbook 3BB + 1BB per limper raise. Makes it expensive for you to call. Maybe the idea of never limping is that if you instead had raised 3BB yourself, you see the flop for 1 less BB, and know to fold against a 3-bet?
b)Flop: Pot sized bet to protect his TPTK. Maybe a bit much on such a dry board? Do you get enough value, and can you still let go, when you're against a better hand? Turn, still nothing scary on the board, but betting the pot again is already pot committed, there is no way to fold against the shove, so either bet less so you can still fold, or shove yourself maybe?
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While theories on how to play poker are written in thousands of books, the reality is that market one must play their own poker regarding his instinct The determining factor is luck in poker and her ass to the best player at any time Strategy and skill are impresindibles to have a grip on yourself and try to be neat, but are constant bad bet in online poker and put on tilt to the best player you can face and is very good advantage of that situation
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yup and great news!!!!suited are not so typical play for me its just players wanted to catch some flush or just get lucky but some are good predictors as well ...avoid this hand to play as we know the odds of poker against those fishes while we move on long run winnings are more besides us..good luck guys!!!
