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I was playing the BRM leaderboardfreeroll this afternoon ET. Early in the game blind were 25/50 i am on the button with K K only one limper before me.
I raised to 400.00 the BB with small stack go all-in with a little bit over 500.00 the limper call and i can't re raise i have to call J 3 Q he check and i pushed all-in and he called with K 10o the turn no problem but the river come with an Ace for his straight.
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The fact that the BB had only 500 chips was an important piece of information to you for how to play the hand correctly.
When the big blind has so few chips left, they are always very likely to shove... If you would have raised to just 150 or 175, the BB goes all in and you have the limper trapped in the middle... He'll almost certainly call the 500, then you can shove all in over the top...
Look for all available ways to take advantage while at the table.
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Posted by yout85: The fact that the BB had only 500 chips was an important piece of information to you for how to play the hand correctly.
When the big blind has so few chips left, they are always very likely to shove... If you would have raised to just 150 or 175, the BB goes all in and you have the limper trapped in the middle... He'll almost certainly call the 500, then you can shove all in over the top...
Look for all available ways to take advantage while at the table.
Fact is its a BRM Freeroll so any two face cards and were Allin every time was playing one the other day and my KQ got crushed by a 95 hearts pre flop Allin flush hit and out I think the bigger the freeroll the more serious the play raise Allin pre flop with KK might get the limpers to fold.
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Posted by pinotte:
Posted by yout85: The fact that the BB had only 500 chips was an important piece of information to you for how to play the hand correctly.
When the big blind has so few chips left, they are always very likely to shove... If you would have raised to just 150 or 175, the BB goes all in and you have the limper trapped in the middle... He'll almost certainly call the 500, then you can shove all in over the top...
Look for all available ways to take advantage while at the table.
Thanks i never thought of this one.
Next question is would you fold when villain shove on flop ? in his position ( small stack with open ended straight draw ) I will do it! I wish you give your opinion yout85
the more serious the play raise Allin pre flop with KK might get the limpers to fold.
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Serpang, as it was played, my answer is no... I wouldn't fold on the flop to a shove... because the only hands you're behind with KK are all so unlikely.
But you're looking for the wrong reasoning pre flop... you talk of getting them to fold - with KK preflop... you don't want your opponent to fold - you want them to put as many chips into the pot as possible... and so your play should be thought out with only that in mind.
Always first think of what you want to achieve... then figure out how.
That is the problem with limpers generally IMO... Some of them will speculate with their hands especially out of position; some of them just want to see the flop with any Kx, Ax and some of them have no idea whatsoever why is he doing things with what cards - now they are the ones who'll call you off with anything. Yout was right. Don't overbet from that position - just simply try to make it harder seeing the flop cheaply for them (esp. if they hold marginal hands) and that way u could bully them with a re-raise into getting serious... Of course the key here was the BB.
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Posted by T3ddyKGB: beside its a freeroll.. the blinds were 25/50 he raised to 400. whats wrong with his raise?
I wrote a really long explanation as to just what exactly was wrong with the raise, but when I had finished, the site was down.
Basically, poker is all about getting as much of your money in when you're in front as you can - with every hand, you have to figure out how to do that.
To anyone who doesn't understand what I said with my first reply, please say so and I'll be happy to explain.
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Posted by yout85:
Posted by T3ddyKGB:
nah, well played. just unlucky..
No... If you want to learn and improve, you need to not gloss over things like this as just "unlucky"... .
I like this opinion I thought like that before but don't find best solution yet. Just follow basic theory for now : shove in any position at early phase MTT ( with best 5 )
the sizing of the raise was an error I don't understand this . So how many ?
Thanks for your answer for my question above, I just don't want someone with bad hand involve what ever their reason ( we always don't know ) - like bowie post.
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Sure... I'll run through everything that would have gone through my mind in that hand...
Preflop:
Nice... pocket kings. Big blind has just lost two thirds of his stack, so they're almost certain to call all in.... I hope someone else raises though. That would be nice... hmmmm one limper. He has the same size stack as me.... I want it. How do I get it? Right - I need to get the most amount of chips possible into this pot before the flop... don't wanna give him a cheap flop and an ace to come out... then I won't know where I stand and can't call for 1000 if he shoves.... I have to get all in pre flop here. If I just shove... I'm pretty sure bb will call... but limper will probably fold. It's his stack I want... how can I exploit the situation? I have to show as little amount of strength as possible but still get all in. If I raise... bb will push all in with any two cards.... the limper will call with virtually anything hes already called with... so how much to raise. Right - it needs to be 300 or less, else I won't be able to rereraise the bb after limper has called.... I have to give him the rope to hang himself.... not a stool to stand on to stop him hanging.
I raise 150... appear weak. Bb shoves.... limper calls I resolve. If he folds I double up anyway... if he calls I'm a huge favourite to triple up. All the chips went in at my strongest point of the hand.... I'm happy. Result no longer matters. I made the right play.
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i think the key word her is "freeroll". after this magic word all the tips, strategies, odds, implied odds, equity and all of other sand sipping right from your a55 is not important. me ponders that in freerolls everything is right and everything is wrong. one can easily expect to see little green men playing at the tables and gangbangs happening at the same time under the tables...
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Posted by pochui: i think the key word her is "freeroll". after this magic word all the tips, strategies, odds, implied odds, equity and all of other sand sipping right from your a55 is not important. me ponders that in freerolls everything is right and everything is wrong. one can easily expect to see little green men playing at the tables and gangbangs happening at the same time under the tables...
The same lessons can be learned, whether there's no buy in, or a million dollars buy in.
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I like Yout85's explanation. My initial consideration of pinotte's original post was why 400? While I accept Pochui's explanation re freerolls, I have played a few of these BRM party games this week and have experienced both situations....all in with ATC and good considered poker play. I think part of the rsolution to this situation would be PINOTTE to help us out by explaining that rationale for his 400 raise. Also, the stack sizes of PINOTTE and the limped may help too. Can you help us with that PINOTTE?
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Posted by yout85: I wrote a really long explanation as to just what exactly was wrong with the raise, but when I had finished, the site was down.
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my bad. i just should have read your first post. then the site went down as i was gonna answer you.
now i get your point. in the end its all theory tho, and most of the time you will only collect the blinds. the raise was high enough (for me). poker - theres no right or wrong play in my opinion, only big mistakes.
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Well actually Teddy, you're entirely wrong
In poker there is ALWAYS a right play and a wrong play. The trouble is, that you often don't get all the information you need to decide what the right play is.
This isn't one of those cases.... this is very black and white, cut and dry, no doubt about it...
By making the raise 400, it meant it was not possible to get any more than 500 chips from the villain into the pot before the flop.... by simply noticing the stack size of the big blind and making it 200 instead, he misses out on no value from the bb, but gets way more value from the limper.
I don't mean to sound condescending in any way here.... but if you can't see that 150-325 here is a good raise, but 326 and over is really bad... then you'll never be a very good poker player.
