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  29-Mar-16, 00:14   #1
Heads-Up Bots Will Be Stronger Than Humans 0 
hazeform 
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A recent PokerNews article that caught the attention of our readers was one entitled “The Perfect Poker Bot Is Almost Here.” The article described a bot known as Baby Tartanian 8, which had won the latest Annual Computer Poker Competition and how researchers plan to create a perfect poker bot within two to three years.

The bot’s creator, Noam Brown, was kind enough to take some time from his busy schedule to chat about his award winning bot, including how it came to fruition, and even how it would perform in the online poker world; the answer to the latter is quite worrying.

Brown explained that the Annual Computer Poker Competition has been running since 2006, with no-limit hold’em featuring from around 2008, and during that time, as you’d imagine, the bots have grown more complex.

“I think back in 2008-09 we were just starting on no-limit Texas hold’em, and the bots would only consider calling, folding, making a pot-sized bet, or going all-in. When you look at the card abstractions, which is what we call them, when you consider the possible hands, you have to group them together and treat a lot of hands identically to keep the game a reasonable size. Back then, all of the possible river hands were grouped into maybe 500 buckets and this time we did around 1 million buckets.”

     
  29-Mar-16, 02:53   #2
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demodawggy 

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... Big Smile< Creepy.... Evil

... Big Smile< Get a load of this.... As you might know,...there's computer tech physically implantable into your brain,...from which you can then move a cursor around on a screen using ONLY your thoughts....

... Big Smile< Evolve that now many times over, and what is in the works right now are functional brain implants that connect your brain DIRECTLY to The Cloud using WiFi or whatever,...where the response to inqueries of various sorts are images that appear in your mind and not on a screen...! No keyboard,...no mouse,...no hardware to physically manipulate,....just pure thought,.....practically telepathically in a sense..... Totally Hand's-Off...!

....Graphics, pics,...or script I'm not sure about,...the guy didn't go into much detail...he used the words 'images' though...! Smile

Edited by demodawggy (Tuesday, March 29, 2016 @ 02:57 GMT)


     
  29-Mar-16, 03:57   #3
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Serpang 
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How to compare ? same hand played by computer vs human and computer vs computer.
I don't believe computer (bot) will win cause they don't have feeling/intuition. If bot win cause its know our card by hidden program Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  29-Mar-16, 07:00   #4
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shokaku 

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Not really a surprise to me. It happend in Chess, it is about to happen in Go, so it is only a matter of time, untill it is happening in Hold'em too. Bad for the heads up specialists, but it is the way of the world.

     
  29-Mar-16, 09:49   #5
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StheP 

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well it happend in chess because there is no bluffing in chess... computer think racionaly, and computer doesnt have feeling or gut, so I think they could never make profitable bot in no limit holdem, especialy now when game is very hard to beat Blink

     
  29-Mar-16, 13:06   #6
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bowie1984 

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Thank you for copypasting articles from a rival affiliate website but next time maybe just put a link into your blog or something. Or use quotations. Or common sense. You know... Something.

     
  29-Mar-16, 14:52   #7
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Calmplay 

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I don't think so, the only type of game I think bots can overtop us is in limit holdem and not in any no limit games...

     
  29-Mar-16, 15:13   #8
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T3ddyKGB 

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Posted by StheP:
well it happend in chess because there is no bluffing in chess... computer think racionaly, and computer doesnt have feeling or gut, so I think they could never make profitable bot in no limit holdem, especialy now when game is very hard to beat Blink


true that, because there´s alot more involved in poker as the bit, nearly laughable, algebra you use...
still it will be profitable, cause the most players play for fun - and those will probably lose to a well programmed bot. a bot is also capable to remember the way you play or what hands you play, and that much better as a human does.

Edited by T3ddyKGB (Tuesday, March 29, 2016 @ 15:19 GMT)


     
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