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Casino in Cincinatti to lose liquor license unless they pay $50K fine

Tags: car crash, Cory Lippmeier, Ohio.
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 by "T".
This is an update of the news back in September 27, 2016, in which a drunk driver involved in fatal crash says the casino is responsible too. Jack Casino, formerly known as Horseshoe Casino, located in Cincinatti, is in danger of losing its liquor permit on January 19, 2017 unless its owners pay a fine worth $50,000 to the Ohio Liquor Control Commission, according to the Ohio Department of Public[...]   Read more » Casino in Cincinatti to lose liquor license unless they pay $50K fine

  17-Jan-17, 19:32   #1
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pochui 

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wow what a fcukin great piece of BS, probably this fantastic resolution that dude has been over-served and because of this was involved in a car accident (and definitely because of no fault of his own) is truly worthy of the priceless definition of Complete Bullsh1t. just wondering how the hell drivers of those other cars that were involved in the crash are not at fault because they didn't let the poor drunk fella use complete road not just one lane...

     
  17-Jan-17, 20:04   #2
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Mober 
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Is there a chance for a casino to lose the license for that amount of money?
It looks ridiculous to me as a fine, to a point there shouldnt be an article or thread with
this title Smile
They will pay and thean business as usual..

     
  17-Jan-17, 20:27   #3
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bowie1984 

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Well, even if they gonna pay the fine this guy will be never welcome back to the premises after he gets out of prison. Probably gonna be blacklisted in all the other Ohio based casinos too, because all he did was to blame somebody else with the crime he comitted instead admitting his wrongdoing...

     
  18-Jan-17, 09:08   #4
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doubletop777 
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I cant believe that they wouldn't pay this fine because of the amount of business they would lose. People go to the Casino to have a gamble and a drink at the same time and it makes no sense not to pay the fine

     
  18-Jan-17, 17:24   #5
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damosk 
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I a man certain there will be much more to this story than is revealed in this very short article. If this case succeeds for the drunk driver to sue the licence holder this potentially has huge implications for every other liquor seller in the whole world. This simply cannot be a case that can win! Can it? You just never know!

     
  21-Jan-17, 18:47   #6
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Gerimantas 
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I read this article and still do not understand how can casino be at fault in any way here, they operate legally, have all the documents needed to sell alcohol, and what they do is just operate as normal, there are many people who get drunk in a casino everyday, so how can they blame casino's for anything that happens to them while they are drunk?

     
  21-Jan-17, 20:12   #7
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Tony_MON7ANA 

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Long time ago one of my closest friends was charged with reckless driving after an accident in the state of New Jersey. We consulted with a defense attorney and made our first acquaintance with the dram shop laws.


Dram Shop Laws

Dram shop is a term for laws that hold retail establishments and sometimes social hosts liable for damages caused by serving alcohol to an obviously intoxicated patron (including alcohol served to minors).

The purpose of dram shop laws is to place responsibility on those who profit from the distribution of alcohol. Plus, the laws provide an incentive to owners of alcohol establishments to develop responsible service policies, and to properly train employees to refuse alcohol sales.

The similarity among states that have adopted a dram shop law is the application of the “obvious intoxication test”, meaning that an employee/retailer knew or should have known that the patron was so intoxicated that more alcohol would cause danger to himself or to others.


Source: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/dram-shop...

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Saturday, January 21, 2017 @ 20:59 GMT)


     
  21-Jan-17, 22:26   #8
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Mober 
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In some countries you can see in places where they serve liquor, signs over the bar,
saying that they do not serve drunk people.
It is not that hard to say who is drunk or not, and stop pouring their glass, isnt it?
Common sense...

     
  22-Jan-17, 02:17   #9
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bowie1984 

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Posted by Tony_MON7ANA:
Long time ago one of my closest friends was charged with reckless driving after an accident in the state of New Jersey. We consulted with a defense attorney and made our first acquaintance with the dram shop laws.

Still messed up tbqh.
The local fruit stand could not be held responsible for the banana peel you slipped on at your own home despite they sold it to ya...

     
  22-Jan-17, 02:59   #10
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jessthehuman 

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I think a lot of countries - including mine (Australia) - have 'responsible serving of alcohol' laws. They're generally overlooked except when there is some kind of altercation. Typically unless a patron causes a violent confrontation, LE doesn't care how many drinks people consume.


That said - tying the venue into the 'guilt' of a driver involved in a culpable driving conviction is a stretch, an 'Only in the USA' sort of thing, I would think. If that is what is happening here.

     
  22-Jan-17, 12:21   #11
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dule-vu 

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casino is guilty because men drinking too much and now they have to pay because he killed somebody!cant believe what they are saying!and if they this 50000 $ they will have licence and will serve drink normaly!ha,ha,what a silly america!

     
  22-Jan-17, 19:06   #12
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Tony_MON7ANA 

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Civil and criminal courts are completely separate in the United States. Dramshop acts is civil liability acts.


Dramshop Acts

A dramshop is any type of drinking establishment where liquor is sold for consumption on the premises, such as a bar, a saloon, or, in some cases, a restaurant. Under dramshop acts, the seller of liquor can be sued by an individual who is injured by an intoxicated person. Such acts protect the injured third party not only against personal injuries and property damages resulting directly from the actions of the intoxicated individual (such as those resulting from drunken driving or Assault and Battery) but also against the loss of family support owing to such injuries. Generally, the person who became intoxicated cannot sue the seller if she or he is injured, nor can any active participant in the drinking.

By the late 1980s, dramshop statutes and court rulings had caused a dramatic increase in lawsuits involving liquor liability, with a corresponding increase in damage awards to victims. As a result, liquor liability insurance became increasingly expensive and difficult to obtain.


Sources: Dramshop Acts


Oh, by the way, as to one of my best friends I mentioned earlier, he has never stopped drinking, partying, and doing other silly things despite his numerous and often brutal brushes with the law enforcement. He is totally crazy!!!

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Sunday, January 22, 2017 @ 19:12 GMT)


     
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