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  25-Jan-17, 12:59   #1
bitstarz scam or not ? 0 
dopey1989 
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 18
I heard on bitcoin talk was scam not paying a winner of 5bitcoin is this treu or not ? i would like to play on there site but i want to now its trustfull thanks in advance Big Smile

     
  25-Jan-17, 13:08   #2
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sirthomas 

Joined: Oct '07
Location: Sweden
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 253
Hi!

I can personally recommend BitStarz. Fast payouts and great promos.

I'm confident you won't have any issues whatsoever over there.

Thomas Mob Admin

     
  25-Jan-17, 13:16   #3
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 9280
well the fact that sirthomas and not sirthomas2 is recommending bitstarz is a real push of this provider into the "diamond level" of the most reliable list of sofware, hardware, and just ware providers.
however no one in this age we're living in can be called 100% reliable, just need a peek into the history and recall names like UB/Absolute Bet, Full Tilt Poker, and probably a bunch of smaller names...

     
  25-Jan-17, 14:20   #4
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bowie1984 

Joined: Apr '12
Location: Hungary
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 5180
Untrustable sites rarely getting affiliated here and when sometimes it happens - khm, duck - the community backlash is inevitable, making sure that everybody knows what are they signing up for.
Nobody here had a problem with BitStarz so far.

     
  25-Jan-17, 15:17   #5
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peronibar 

Joined: Apr '11
Location: Montenegro
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 285
I had problem ,they deleted my bonus money 250 euro when i clear wagering requirement and ask for withdraw.Because some rigged rule.They recomended everywere,on some site 9,87 of possible 10,but i never play again there.They have always one man on support,strange.

     
  25-Jan-17, 16:02   #6
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magatt966 

Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 3759
Have an entertaining read here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454521.0

If you won't bother reading that thread here is a short summary:

They say you can't bet more than a certain amount when clearing bonuses but they didn't automated that limit: so their system let you bet more than that amount during bonus clearing. Until you lose your money you are fine but if you end up winning they won't let you withdraw your winning claiming you broke the rules.


My general opinion is Bitstarz have a predatory behaviour regarding winning coming from their bonuses and I am not going to play there until they change their attitude on this matter.

But feel free to deposit and play (lose) there

     
  25-Jan-17, 17:09   #7
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peronibar 

Joined: Apr '11
Location: Montenegro
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 285
Posted by magatt966:
Have an entertaining read here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454521.0

If you won't bother reading that thread here is a short summary:

They say you can't bet more than a certain amount when clearing bonuses but they didn't automated that limit: so their system let you bet more than that amount during bonus clearing. Until you lose your money you are fine but if you end up winning they won't let you withdraw your winning claiming you broke the rules.


My general opinion is Bitstarz have a predatory behaviour regarding winning coming from their bonuses and I am not going to play there until they change their attitude on this matter.

But feel free to deposit and play (lose) there

Yes,this is the rule i brake,i bet couple time 10 euro,min is 5 Aww crap!

     
  25-Jan-17, 19:23   #8
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Gerimantas 
Joined: Jan '17
Location: Lithuania
Age: 59 (M)
Posts: 464
I think the name is a little bit strange and reminds of pokerstars, so this is not a very good sign, but if we dont mind this there is no evidence that this site is bad in any way, or stealing customers money, you have to look in google and if there are no bad topics in big numbers then it is ok

     
  25-Jan-17, 20:26   #9
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pajalnick 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Russian Federation
Age: 45 (M)
Posts: 3355
Thank you all for your valuable information .. I recently thought to play at this casino but something stopped me .... Now I understand that it was a premonition of trouble ... well that I have read this post and now I know exactly where it is not necessary to play

     
  25-Jan-17, 21:13   #10
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magatt966 

Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 3759
Posted by peronibar:
Posted by magatt966:
Have an entertaining read here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454521.0

If you won't bother reading that thread here is a short summary:

They say you can't bet more than a certain amount when clearing bonuses but they didn't automated that limit: so their system let you bet more than that amount during bonus clearing. Until you lose your money you are fine but if you end up winning they won't let you withdraw your winning claiming you broke the rules.


My general opinion is Bitstarz have a predatory behaviour regarding winning coming from their bonuses and I am not going to play there until they change their attitude on this matter.

But feel free to deposit and play (lose) there

Yes,this is the rule i brake,i bet couple time 10 euro,min is 5 Aww crap!



If they wanted to act fair they should prevent you from be tting more than the maximum allowed.

But no, they let you bet whatever amount you want; two possible outcomes then:

1) you lose your money => it's ok for them => they will keep your money

2) you win => it not ok, you broke the rules => they will keep your money


or you belong to that rare kind of people who read all the fineprints and are aware of the rule

Edited by magatt966 (Wednesday, January 25, 2017 @ 21:17 GMT)


     
  25-Jan-17, 21:39   #11
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 40 (F)
Posts: 10783
Well if that rule is there in their terms for the bonuses, then the casino is not at fault.
Even if in most cases, casino's do this on purpose Smile
You should read all the fine print before taking a bonus.
This is the first rule when you want to get one.
Saves you the trouble in the first place.

     
  26-Jan-17, 00:19   #12
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magatt966 

Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 3759
Posted by Mober:
Well if that rule is there in their terms for the bonuses, then the casino is not at fault.
Even if in most cases, casino's do this on purpose Smile
You should read all the fine print before taking a bonus.
This is the first rule when you want to get one.
Saves you the trouble in the first place.


I call it predatory behaviour.
And I personally prefer not to deposit my money and play to operators who show this attitude... fineprints or not.

They could just implement an automated script preventing players clearing bonuses from betting more than allowed but they prefer not to do so because of their greediness.

     
  26-Jan-17, 09:12   #13
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T3ddyKGB 

Joined: Oct '08
Location: Germany
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 1888
Posted by magatt966:
Posted by Mober:
Well if that rule is there in their terms for the bonuses, then the casino is not at fault.
Even if in most cases, casino's do this on purpose Smile
You should read all the fine print before taking a bonus.
This is the first rule when you want to get one.
Saves you the trouble in the first place.


I call it predatory behaviour.
And I personally prefer not to deposit my money and play to operators who show this attitude... fineprints or not.

They could just implement an automated script preventing players clearing bonuses from betting more than allowed but they prefer not to do so because of their greediness.


i understand you are upset maggat and i get your point but i have to say im with mober. you have been long enough in this business to know to better read the T&Cs - especially on smaller or unknown sites.
its the same as if you take a no deposit bonus. on some sites your only allowed to play on low limits like NL2 or youll lose your NDB - except you make a deposit.

did you try to talk to them to find a solution? its the best way...except you have been rude to the support Smile

     
  26-Jan-17, 09:43   #14
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magatt966 

Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 3759
Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by magatt966:
Posted by Mober:
Well if that rule is there in their terms for the bonuses, then the casino is not at fault.
Even if in most cases, casino's do this on purpose Smile
You should read all the fine print before taking a bonus.
This is the first rule when you want to get one.
Saves you the trouble in the first place.


I call it predatory behaviour.
And I personally prefer not to deposit my money and play to operators who show this attitude... fineprints or not.

They could just implement an automated script preventing players clearing bonuses from betting more than allowed but they prefer not to do so because of their greediness.


i understand you are upset maggat and i get your point but i have to say im with mober. you have been long enough in this business to know to better read the T&Cs - especially on smaller or unknown sites.
its the same as if you take a no deposit bonus. on some sites your only allowed to play on low limits like NL2 or youll lose your NDB - except you make a deposit.

did you try to talk to them to find a solution? its the best way...except you have been rude to the support Smile



You misunderstood me: I never played there , never created an account there and not going to do due to their attitude / behaviour. And it is happening because I 'm long time in this business meanwhile people new to this may fall for it ( it's what Bitstarz hope).




Also the example of NL2 limit for no deposit bonuses represent the exact opposite of what Bitstarz do:

lets get the old Cake Poker for example: they had that low limit tables policy for no deposit bonuses; if you tried to play higher stakes system you had a pop up displayed on your screen explaining you couldn't join higher stakes due to bonus limitation.
And it's completely ok.

Different is the case if they let you join higher stakes and let you lose your bonus ....but if you would end up winning they wouldn't let you withdraw. ( it is what they do at Bitstarz)

Am disappointed because behaviour damage overall gambling industry reputation , beside their own one, keeping people far from this market.

And am also surprised Sirthomas completely vouch for them even if their behaviour brings damage to the whole industry he is involved into.



     
  26-Jan-17, 09:54   #15
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peronibar 

Joined: Apr '11
Location: Montenegro
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 285
I deposit money there and cant played higher than 5 euro.I tell support why didnt automatic block that bet ,he told me that they wish but cant posibillity.And minimum withdraw is 40 euro.

     
  26-Jan-17, 10:31   #16
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T3ddyKGB 

Joined: Oct '08
Location: Germany
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 1888
Posted by magatt966:
Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by magatt966:
Posted by Mober:
Well if that rule is there in their terms for the bonuses, then the casino is not at fault.
Even if in most cases, casino's do this on purpose Smile
You should read all the fine print before taking a bonus.
This is the first rule when you want to get one.
Saves you the trouble in the first place.


I call it predatory behaviour.
And I personally prefer not to deposit my money and play to operators who show this attitude... fineprints or not.

They could just implement an automated script preventing players clearing bonuses from betting more than allowed but they prefer not to do so because of their greediness.


i understand you are upset maggat and i get your point but i have to say im with mober. you have been long enough in this business to know to better read the T&Cs - especially on smaller or unknown sites.
its the same as if you take a no deposit bonus. on some sites your only allowed to play on low limits like NL2 or youll lose your NDB - except you make a deposit.

did you try to talk to them to find a solution? its the best way...except you have been rude to the support Smile



You misunderstood me: I never played there , never created an account there and not going to do due to their attitude / behaviour. And it is happening because I 'm long time in this business meanwhile people new to this may fall for it ( it's what Bitstarz hope).




Also the example of NL2 limit for no deposit bonuses represent the exact opposite of what Bitstarz do:

lets get the old Cake Poker for example: they had that low limit tables policy for no deposit bonuses; if you tried to play higher stakes system you had a pop up displayed on your screen explaining you couldn't join higher stakes due to bonus limitation.
And it's completely ok.

Different is the case if they let you join higher stakes and let you lose your bonus ....but if you would end up winning they wouldn't let you withdraw. ( it is what they do at Bitstarz)

Am disappointed because behaviour damage overall gambling industry reputation , beside their own one, keeping people far from this market.

And am also surprised Sirthomas completely vouch for them even if their behaviour brings damage to the whole industry he is involved into.



on cake poker it might have been that way, but on Ipoker for example were no pop ups to warn your that you about to break the rules.

btw maggat...i never knew the gambling industry has ever had a good reputation Big Smile
its a dirty business - always been. Blink

     
  26-Jan-17, 11:57   #17
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peronibar 

Joined: Apr '11
Location: Montenegro
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 285
And i forgot to say they charge when u deposit,example if deposit 20,fee is about 1 euro or something,and u pay 21 .First that experience with some casino.

     
  26-Jan-17, 12:20   #18
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vsemoje 
Joined: Feb '13
Location: Slovenia
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 529


[/QUOTE]

on cake poker it might have been that way, but on Ipoker for example were no pop ups to warn your that you about to break the rules.

btw maggat...i never knew the gambling industry has ever had a good reputation Big Smile
its a dirty business - always been. Blink
[/QUOTE]

On Ipoker u couldnt join higher stakes ....

     
  26-Jan-17, 14:40   #19
  0 
magatt966 

Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 3759
Posted by T3ddyKGB:

on cake poker it might have been that way snip


on Cake Poker It was that way

Posted by T3ddyKGB: snip , but on Ipoker for example were no pop ups to warn your that you about to break the rules.



seems like about iPoker someone is stating the opposite as you but cannot know who is right because don't have a NDB experience there


Anyway my aim is to warn new users about the dangers of accepting bonuses at Bitstarz

     
  26-Jan-17, 16:03   #20
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T3ddyKGB 

Joined: Oct '08
Location: Germany
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 1888
Posted by magatt966:
Posted by T3ddyKGB:

on cake poker it might have been that way snip


on Cake Poker It was that way

Posted by T3ddyKGB: snip , but on Ipoker for example were no pop ups to warn your that you about to break the rules.



seems like about iPoker someone is stating the opposite as you but cannot know who is right because don't have a NDB experience there


Anyway my aim is to warn new users about the dangers of accepting bonuses at Bitstarz


may be skin related.

i have no experience with bitstarz so im out here, but i find its not that bad to read T&Cs or the manual like: do not put your cat in the microwave oven Tongue

     
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