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  10-Feb-17, 01:48   #1
Good bet on flop or not?!? 0 
caiogs21 
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Party Poker Game 15872030997 / Tournament
Table Standard - Thursday, February 09, 19:31:04 BRST 2017
Blinds : 50/100
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5 players
[SB] LeMaX_111 (2850)
[BB] scaff1 (2384)
[1] billbullet (2165)
[2] espaeza23 (2450)
[But] RoyalSant21 (2151)

RoyalSant21 2 A Initial Pot: 150

billbullet calls 100
espaeza23 folds
RoyalSant21 raises 300
LeMaX_111 folds
scaff1 calls 200
billbullet calls 200
### FLOP ### 4 9 5 Pot: 950
scaff1 checks
billbullet checks
RoyalSant21 bets 475
scaff1 folds
billbullet folds
RoyalSant21 hide cards
RoyalSant21 wins 1425 from the main pot

I would like to know if this flop c-bet was a good choice, or if would be better checking behind and wait the turn, in that cinrcunstances...

Thank you all


Spade

     
  10-Feb-17, 01:59   #2
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StheP 

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well it is good bet if you dont c-bet like that often... but if you do that almoust evry hand, than its bad c-bet...

     
  10-Feb-17, 08:19   #3
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doubletop777 
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I think that the bet was correct and you played the hand perfectly well. Even if you had been called, you would have had outs to win the pot so a continuation bet was the correct play. Anytime you win the pot, you know you must have done something right!!

     
  10-Feb-17, 09:27   #4
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damosk 
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Interesting point! I guess the question you should really ask yourself is, what else could I or should I have done in this situation? Do you have a view on what your opponents holding might have been and then what you think you are representing that has won the hand and what you could have done differently to get more value out of the hand. Did you make this play to win the hand there and then, or to extract more bets? What would you have done if someone had reraised you? Lots of things to think about before you decide if this was good play or not!

     
  10-Feb-17, 11:20   #5
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Gerimantas 
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I think it was a good bet since you won the hand, but it iz hard to zay if this is a situation where you can always place a bet like this, it also is important what was the stage of the tournament, how many players left and is paid places close, what are the players at the table like, how you are playing this tournament

     
  10-Feb-17, 18:37   #6
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bowie1984 

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Posted by doubletop777:
I think that the bet was correct and you played the hand perfectly well. Even if you had been called, you would have had outs to win the pot so a continuation bet was the correct play. Anytime you win the pot, you know you must have done something right!!

This has to be the biggest misconception about poker IMO.

     
  11-Feb-17, 00:53   #7
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pajalnick 

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join those who wrote that the hand is played the right ... the main thing is that you have won in the end and everything else does not matter ... of course when a good hand there is a temptation to lure the opponent but it is possible to eventually lose Blink

     
  11-Feb-17, 01:31   #8
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Tony_MON7ANA 

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caiogs21, I got several questions.

• Is this a multi-table tournament (MTT) or single-table tournament (STT)? And what kind of format is it?
• Is this a freeroll?
• How many entrants are there in the tournament?
• What is your relative standing?
• How long have you been playing at this table? Do you know your opponents well?
• Are you looking to mini-cash or aiming to take down the whole thing?

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Saturday, February 11, 2017 @ 01:46 GMT)


     
  25-Feb-17, 18:18   #9
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caiogs21 
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Hello @Tony_MON7ANA, here is the situation, It's a STT, Turbo, micro limit (22c), 6 max, playing on the table for a short time, due the duration of the tournament, and its a different kind of game, where the first 3 wins equal prizes

thank you all for your point of views Blink

     
  26-Feb-17, 09:44   #10
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Tony_MON7ANA 

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Thank you for your answering my questions, caiogs21.
So, you were playing 6-max double or nothing single table tournament on PartyPoker... Well then, I think your preflop raise with A2 suited was a bit loose.
The flop texture was not too bad for your A2 of Spades and your continuation bet was almost mandatory.

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Sunday, February 26, 2017 @ 10:08 GMT)


     
  27-Feb-17, 00:30   #11
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jessthehuman 

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Posted by bowie1984:
Posted by doubletop777:
I think that the bet was correct and you played the hand perfectly well. Even if you had been called, you would have had outs to win the pot so a continuation bet was the correct play. Anytime you win the pot, you know you must have done something right!!

This has to be the biggest misconception about poker IMO.


Definitely. Winning the pot in no way suggests that you made the correct play!!!!


That is definitely a rookie outlook and known as 'results-orientated' - as opposed to EV orientated - you should be looking at how much you make in the long run, based on the expected value of your play. If you get it allin as an underdog and win, it's still a bad play, because when you repeat the hand over and over the more times you do it, the more you lose!




Anyway- I like the c-bet on the flop, because if you later complete the wheel or the backdoor flush, both of those potentially nut-hands will be very well disguised. That said - you should always balance your range and you don't want to c-bet bluff here OOP every time! You definitely need to include some made hands in your range otherwise you're over-bluffing.

     
  27-Feb-17, 09:49   #12
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magatt966 

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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by bowie1984:
Posted by doubletop777:
I think that the bet was correct and you played the hand perfectly well. Even if you had been called, you would have had outs to win the pot so a continuation bet was the correct play. Anytime you win the pot, you know you must have done something right!!

This has to be the biggest misconception about poker IMO.


Definitely. Winning the pot in no way suggests that you made the correct play!!!!


That is definitely a rookie outlook and known as 'results-orientated' - as opposed to EV orientated - you should be looking at how much you make in the long run, based on the expected value of your play. If you get it allin as an underdog and win, it's still a bad play, because when you repeat the hand over and over the more times you do it, the more you lose!




Anyway- I like the c-bet on the flop, because if you later complete the wheel or the backdoor flush, both of those potentially nut-hands will be very well disguised. That said - you should always balance your range and you don't want to c-bet bluff here OOP every time! You definitely need to include some made hands in your range otherwise you're over-bluffing.



Completely agree with comments quoted; also I would add you need to have infos/reads on your opponents style:

- if they are calling stations ( always calling whatever bet you make) than you should insert more made hands in your mix than draws
- is they have a good fold equity (tend to fold mueh more than not) than you c-bet percentage should grow up
and so on
for example if they like to bluff you may also check-raise them to collect more value

     
  21-Mar-17, 07:17   #13
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TheMachineQC 

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Yeah like others have said it's definetly a good continuation bet. You were in position and used it perfectly and you had a gutshot wheel and your ace to back it up if you get called. Obviously if someone shoves or raises you then you're in a tough spot but that doesn't mean you shouldn't c-bet. Everyone has around 20-25BB so the first one to leverage his stack usually wins the pot.

     
  26-Mar-17, 17:15   #14
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Heskor 
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It all dependent on what you were doing, i know people who won the hand and all but their thought process was not good thus this is useless as it just encourages bad behavior from people and all , like making you always play like this just ask those that limp pre flop and all they will say that this is how you play poker and all, anyway good luck have fun at the tables hope you do well and make some money along the way!

     
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