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Posted by maragatero: Yes ligador37 the harvest of fishes have no end! Notes are always a good idea, and the tracker's program make it easy to obtain player's info. But they could study and become a shark! We have to remember that the notes and the info's program are a picture not the current reality!
Yes, I have that in mind. I think that when you make the notes, the date is saved. So if a lot of time has passed, I take the note into account, but I'm still careful to play my hand well (in case it's an ex-fish who improved his game haha). Programs have not used for a long time. I used the Jivaro, but the free month ended and I never found another one. For now I keep using the notes.
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Hi ligador37, have you readed the thread of Tony_Mon7ana who named it "Customizable Poker Hand Replayers"? There are good free programs to study your playing. I know that they are not trackers. The only free tracker´s program that I know is Free Poker Data Base (fpdb), but it´s no easy. I found dificults for install it, and couldn´t make it works. But could be my fault...
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No, I have not read it. Maybe I'll take a turn on that topic these days. At least to look at them and see if I can get something that works for my game. I do not know that tracker. But Jivaro has a free version for a month that is quite easy to use. That is, it has the basics to play micro. Maybe for high levels you already need the premium version.
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Yes Holdem Manager 2 and Poker Traker 4 are better programs. They allow you to analize your own playing and have the better HUB that I know. But they don´t sale the program they rent it for a period and it not like to me
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Maragatero my friend i have two questions for you. These programs are legal or not? because i received responses from other parts with yes and no. How much the programs help? I do not play in pokerstars except freeroll and occasionally small cash or small tournaments but i want to use a program to see if it helps me. I would like to try this summer, but i want a more serious opinion about programs.
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If you mean Holdem Manager or Tracker 4 then I do not think they are illegal, as many Poker Professionals use them. You can see it when they give some class by Twitch, even if you see some video on YouTube you get to see that they use some of those programs. In my case I do not use them because I would not get enough redito. I think Holdem Manager comes out about $ 100, but there are also other cheaper versions.
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I have seen some videos in the past about how these programs are presented but i have always been convinced that these more programs will mess me up. For this reason i have always been pessimistic about this. I think i will be able to make bigger mistakes with the program because what i saw did not encourage me at all.
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Posted by CALICUL: I have seen some videos in the past about how these programs are presented but i have always been convinced that these more programs will mess me up. For this reason i have always been pessimistic about this. I think i will be able to make bigger mistakes with the program because what i saw did not encourage me at all.
I don´t know CALICUL, I´m in the same stage. I didn´t used it never, but I ever want to do it. In this site, in the Reviews you could find wich programs are allow in wich poker´s room, and the room´s pages could say it. The only free program that I know (I said this)is FPDB, if you be patient and are sofware´s knower, you can try it. I think that We have to learn a new way of play because in the screen would be a lot of information and we could lost our minds. We have to learn about it, make a HUB that be usefull for us and try it. Tell us if you do it! Good luck!
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As i said, i'm a little pessimistic about these programs but if i try, i will say something here in The BankrollMob. I would like to use some programs in pokerstars but something legal. I do not want to do like Russians or Canadians because they use bots and are illegal. The problem is that: pokerstars pretend not to see this. If i would this thing my account would be deleted immediate by pokerstars.
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Posted by CALICUL: I have seen some videos in the past about how these programs are presented but i have always been convinced that these more programs will mess me up. For this reason i have always been pessimistic about this. I think i will be able to make bigger mistakes with the program because what i saw did not encourage me at all.
Well, personally I have not used those 2 programs. But if I used the free version of Jivaro. I think you can use it for free for a month. Being free does not have all the tools offered by the premium version, but it suits you if you're looking to not be confused. The free version is quite basic, but I can assure you that you will improve your game. I was able to increase my stack a lot by making decisions based on the program. That yes, it helps you to play micros (until NL16 would say).
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Posted by CALICUL: As i said, i'm a little pessimistic about these programs but if i try, i will say something here in The BankrollMob. I would like to use some programs in pokerstars but something legal. I do not want to do like Russians or Canadians because they use bots and are illegal. The problem is that: pokerstars pretend not to see this. If i would this thing my account would be deleted immediate by pokerstars.
Hey CALICUL, I did your home work...In the reviews there said that could be allow : Poker Ofice, Poker tracker, PA HUD and datamining, whatever it is. If you go to the home page there could explain it, and if you not be sure, you could ask to the PS support. What ever, they don´t would deletting your acount. Perhaps they freeze it for a while and make to you a warning. You could use the trial month and prove the program. Go CALICUL do it and tell to your fearfull friend
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I decide in a month what i will do. At this moment i want to play a little cash in pokerstars and 888poker and a few other freeroll tournaments. On real money just cash because tournaments for me in the last period are disappointing. After that period i will decide if i use a legal program.
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Cash and freerolls tournaments...Don´t you play some S&G?, don´t you include it in your poker´s menu? They will give you good profits and are a little more "controllable" than the cash games. But, I know, that the cash have good diference: they to be open all day without schedule and you could leave the table whith your money when you want....I think I should play some cash games..
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I played in pokerstars enough Sit and Go in the past but did not make a profit, and i lost my time for nothing. I play only tournaments with real money and freerolls or cash snap ( 888poker ) or zoom ( pokerstars ). Anothers games for me is sport bets and little casino.
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I also played many Sit ngos in the past, but later I realized that it was best to play cash. I also try to play some MTT, type Progressives KO or Omaha, in all its variants, since that's what I like the most. I try to play low buy ins for the moment, and if I want to play buy in highs, I try to access them through satellites. Sometimes there is luck, sometimes no. In a couple of hours there is a Scoop 5.50 tournament for 50k guaranteed KO, and maybe I'll play it. It may take many hours, and I do not know if I have them..
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Yep, I think that you have the reason and I´m wrong.. When I though an strategy to begin to play with my bank roll´s money, I had to choose one tipe of game, and I though that S&G are more controllable game. But it´s not be all the truth! I will try to play cash in low BI and then I will tell to you!
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Maragatero my friend but you play tournaments with real money? or you play only Sit and Go, cash, and freerolls. I was wondering if you played tournaments with real money and if you had any results because here you have the chance to win good money if you are a good player or in cash games same.
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Posted by CALICUL: Maragatero my friend but you play tournaments with real money? or you play only Sit and Go, cash, and freerolls. I was wondering if you played tournaments with real money and if you had any results because here you have the chance to win good money if you are a good player or in cash games same.
Are the Sits and Go tournaments? Since February I began to play that kind of game with my money. I named it "My poker´s carreer", and I telled my ups and down in another threads. With difficult, I not lost money but the profit are very little. What really grows my bankroll are the won freerolls. I will make some experience in cash in a near future..
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Sure, because there you can make tournament money easier if you play a good poker. You come in with 1 dolar ( 888poker ) or 2 dollars in anothers rooms and you make another dollars. After that you can play tournaments maybe you earn more. Good luck in the rooms.
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You are talking about cash games it isn´t it CALICUL? in micro limits $ 0,01/0,02? Well, I looked for it in all the poker´s room that I´m subscribed, and Americas Cards Room is the best! There are table "shorts" where you can start with only $ 0,40...that´s my table!!!
