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  25-Jun-18, 03:19   #1
JJ vs Good player 0 
frnandoh 
Joined: Dec '16
Location: Brazil
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 12

100K GTD tournament
Day 1A
Starting chips: 20K
30 min each level
17 levels and goes to final day
59 players

Villain: 70bb+- (He is a good player, he did big hits in the last year, at the most times the hands where he was in, ended up with his all in. I did noted him as a Loose Agressive Level 2 with a good strategy against level 1 players: Straight or flush trends on the board, he go all in against passive actions)

Hero: NIT 55bb+-

9 Players on table
200/400-ante 25
Villain(MP1) Open raises 1200
Hero(BU) 3bets for 3600 with JcJs
Villain Calls

FLOP AcKc3h

Villain checks, Hero checks

TURN 7c

Villain bets about 3600, Hero calls

RIVER 3s

Villain goes all in.

What would you do Question
Heart Spade Diamond Club

Edited by frnandoh (Monday, June 25, 2018 @ 03:22 GMT)


     
  25-Jun-18, 05:06   #2
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 6543
Betting the flop. Even if your hand didn`t connect, you can represent a big ace here, AK would have flopped two pair. If he calles, you know your beat. As played you can only play a guessing game, and you can beat only a pure bluff.

     
  25-Jun-18, 07:32   #3
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doubletop777 
Joined: Mar '11
Location: United Kingdom
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I think that i would be folding most of the time in this situation. If the guy had been reckless throughout the game, i could possibly consider a call but a fold here is the right play

     
  25-Jun-18, 08:07   #4
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Mysik86 

Joined: Nov '11
Location: Poland
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 906
Posted by shokaku:
Betting the flop. Even if your hand didn`t connect, you can represent a big ace here, AK would have flopped two pair. If he calles, you know your beat. As played you can only play a guessing game, and you can beat only a pure bluff.

I agree. JJ is pretty good hand, so you should bet on flop. When someone re-raise you or go all-in with AK on table, then you should fold, cause he may have A,K or something. Why you want wait to the river with pretty big pair? It's ridiculous.

     
  25-Jun-18, 13:24   #5
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
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shokaku nailed it...you would never get in this position in first place if you just bet the flop... your 3-bet range is stronger than his calling range there, and AK flop hits a lot more your range than his calling range...by taking passive action you allowed him to bluff you ( I am not saying that he is 100% bluffing you) and you allowed to put yourself in a guessing game, that is never good...I think you must fold there on river... you dont have any relative history with him, you have only couple of hands that can never be valid here... it just too small sample...
By the way I love that you give a ton of information, but you also didnt said what was buy in... it will depend a lot for me on my decision there, but I am guessing that is micro or small medium buy in tournament, not bigger than 22$ buy in...

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also what I didnt mention... your 3-bet size is way too small... you should go up minimum 4500-5500

Edited by StheP (Monday, June 25, 2018 @ 13:53 GMT)


     
  25-Jun-18, 15:02   #6
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pajalnick 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Russian Federation
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 4827
of course in this situation you need to discard the cards ... if the opponent before played without bluff then for sure he has better cards .... I would in this situation have accurately dropped the cards ... and would not have waited for the river ..... understandable that there is a loss

     
  25-Jun-18, 15:50   #7
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jeffaboy 
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Netherlands
Age: 22 (M)
Posts: 1015
Hand is very poorly played and should have never even gotten to the river to begin with. You'd always want to bet out on the flop to see where you're at. If you make a +- 4200 bet on the flop you should be filtering out his weaker hands, if you get reraised here you're outflopped by what's probably going to be AK / AQ. By not betting the flop you show weakness and give your opponent a chance to bluff at you or connect his turncard. theres only 2 good turn cards for you in the deck so basically you'd want to avoid seeing any turns.

     
  26-Jun-18, 09:50   #8
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Tony_MON7ANA 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Japan
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 7757
Hey frnandoh. I got some questions to ask:

• Was this an online tournament? What was the buy-in amount?
• Were these two players (Hero and Villain) already in the money?
• Who categorized the Hero as a "NIT"?

     
  26-Jun-18, 16:09   #9
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pajalnick 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Russian Federation
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 4827
Posted by Tony_MON7ANA:
Hey frnandoh. I got some questions to ask:

� Was this an online tournament? What was the buy-in amount?
� Were these two players (Hero and Villain) already in the money?
� Who categorized the Hero as a "NIT"?

perhaps the answer to the question will be: .... I'm a horseracing player and the Hero .... answered or went to the opponent and the opponent folded ... or answered and he had nothing .... probably it was for this purpose that was created this post .... this is my opinion of course probably

     
  27-Jun-18, 05:05   #10
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frnandoh 
Joined: Dec '16
Location: Brazil
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 12
Posted by shokaku:
Betting the flop. Even if your hand didn`t connect, you can represent a big ace here, AK would have flopped two pair. If he calles, you know your beat. As played you can only play a guessing game, and you can beat only a pure bluff.


I did prefer to play for value knowing that my hand is in front of the range of villain at the most of times. If I bet and he calls flop, I would be obligated to fold at any bet on turn. So my plan was bring him to showdown, but the board hit the third color on turn and doubled a card on river... It is not everyday that it happens.

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Posted by Mysik86:
Posted by shokaku:
Betting the flop. Even if your hand didn`t connect, you can represent a big ace here, AK would have flopped two pair. If he calles, you know your beat. As played you can only play a guessing game, and you can beat only a pure bluff.

I agree. JJ is pretty good hand, so you should bet on flop. When someone re-raise you or go all-in with AK on table, then you should fold, cause he may have A,K or something. Why you want wait to the river with pretty big pair? It's ridiculous.


I decided play for value, control the pot and bring him to showdown, but he is a maniac shark. hard situation.

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Posted by StheP:
shokaku nailed it...you would never get in this position in first place if you just bet the flop... your 3-bet range is stronger than his calling range there, and AK flop hits a lot more your range than his calling range...by taking passive action you allowed him to bluff you ( I am not saying that he is 100% bluffing you) and you allowed to put yourself in a guessing game, that is never good...I think you must fold there on river... you dont have any relative history with him, you have only couple of hands that can never be valid here... it just too small sample...
By the way I love that you give a ton of information, but you also didnt said what was buy in... it will depend a lot for me on my decision there, but I am guessing that is micro or small medium buy in tournament, not bigger than 22$ buy in...

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also what I didnt mention... your 3-bet size is way too small... you should go up minimum 4500-5500


Nice reading!!!
He is an old known mate from poker, but we can say he is one level above.
The buy in was R$400 (about $100), I got my entry playing a sattelite. Out of my BRM, no chance for rebuy.

My table was full of good and agressive players and they was pressing me maybe knowing that for me that tournament was a freezeout.

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Posted by Tony_MON7ANA:
Hey frnandoh. I got some questions to ask:

� Was this an online tournament? What was the buy-in amount?
� Were these two players (Hero and Villain) already in the money?
� Who categorized the Hero as a "NIT"?


Hi Tony! Thanks for your post!
1) It was an early game of a live tournament.
2) It was the day 1A of 6, there was a long way to ITM.
3) I am hero and I know what the most part of field know about me.

Edited by frnandoh (Wednesday, June 27, 2018 @ 05:27 GMT)


     
  27-Jun-18, 09:51   #11
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Tony_MON7ANA 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Japan
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 7757
Thanks for your explanation, frnandoh.
You had a great experience participating in the live event. It has been a long time since I played live poker in brick and mortar casino. I sorely miss the whole atmosphere that comes with the land based casinos.

     
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