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Bicycle Casino tries out Action Clock in Cash Game for the First Time Ever

Tags: action clock, Andrew Neeme, Bicycle Casino, Phil Galfond, Ryan Feldman
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2018 by "T".
On August 17 Friday, the Bicycle Casino made poker history by becoming the first casino venue to use an action clock in a live-streamed cash game. The Live at the Bike $100/$200 NLHE with a $200 big blind ante game featured players such as Dan Zack, Garrett Adelstein, Gary Raina and Nick Vertucci. The poker world is excited to know if an action clock, an item that has become popular in pok[...]   Read more » Bicycle Casino tries out Action Clock in Cash Game for the First Time Ever

  20-Aug-18, 10:54   #1
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Gerimantas 
Joined: Jan '17
Location: Lithuania
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I personally think it is giod idea to use time clock, because like in on-line tournaments you play it is help to have no such situations when players are using too many time to make some decisions and it is too slow to opay some games

     
  20-Aug-18, 13:36   #2
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
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But this is a cash game, where there are more decisions on later streets to be made, and actually: if i would have to face a check-raise on turn or river, i would like to have more than 30 seconds to think it through.

     
  20-Aug-18, 14:19   #3
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 41 (F)
Posts: 12981
Live play differs from the online one.
Having a clock in a live game is like they are trying to equalize some things.
We may see players wearing masks later on, trying to block the :face reading" Smile

But if you are going to put timer on live put more time. Thirty seconds is not enough...

     
  20-Aug-18, 15:13   #4
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Calmplay 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: Mauritius
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As shokaku mentioned above, you want to have at least 30 seconds to think about your next action is such case as we are talking about live cash games. I don't think this is necessary to be introduced in the casino.

     
  20-Aug-18, 16:28   #5
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CALICUL 
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Romania
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that means you are allowed to think just how much you want to lose important time and the other players at the table to sleep because one players will play and think much more. An absurd decision. There must be a clock and in important cases more time but not so much.

     
  20-Aug-18, 23:29   #6
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bowie1984 

Joined: Apr '12
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The reason they want a clock and timing in the first place because many players use the usual 'I need a moment to think this through' excuse to disrupt the flow of the game. No, they not gonna be able to check for signs in their opponents body language but if thirty secounds is not enough for them to make the necessary calculations about their odds in light of their position then they should stop playing live poker already.

     
  20-Aug-18, 23:37   #7
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erru9107 
Joined: Oct '11
Location: Sweden
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Posts: 1230
This is a really interesting aspect that I think should be implemented in a lot of live poker games, and not just cash games. It adds another level to the strategy that you can use and you can feel the pressure after someone has raised you and you need to make a decision quickly.

     
  21-Aug-18, 07:38   #8
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doubletop777 
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This has got to be a good idea and it should get the games moving along nicely. I think that if you take too long to make a decision, it is probably going to be the wrong decision most of the time

     
  21-Aug-18, 15:18   #9
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Mober 
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Almost all of the players are playing online also.
But them playing live tournaments is because they need something different besides the live interaction.
How much slower a game can be in a live tournament. or ring game, with no timer?
You have to take in mind also that the live games usually are highers in "stakes"
buy ins, prizes etc, so they cant be compared with online ones.

     
  22-Aug-18, 00:56   #10
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bowie1984 

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It's not that the game is slower but when you are on a live tourney with 20-30 minute blinds and one player takes two-three-five minutes every time he cannot decide to fold or raise it's a real bummer. Now if you have more than one player like this at the table it takes away any kind of enjoyment of the game altogether.

     
  22-Aug-18, 18:26   #11
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pochui 

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well yeah I have to agree with the latest burst of amazing thoughts from bowie's head that it is a major bum when a drunk dude with piles of cash sitting there waiting to be invested into poker pros bank accounts takes a few mins every hand or making every decision just to try to understand where he is and what he is doing... major bummer

     
  23-Aug-18, 13:01   #12
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bowie1984 

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No I am serious. Altough I'm usually not playing live games at casinos but when we do it with friends there are many occurrences - especially if we gotten through a couple case of beers already - that somebody meditates on his decisions for long-long minutes. It's just killing the flow, makes you see/play less hands before the blinds could eat you etc. It's not fun.

     
  23-Aug-18, 13:05   #13
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Gerimantas 
Joined: Jan '17
Location: Lithuania
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Yes i too agree that what bowie and pochui say, because when i with my friends go to our local casino to play some blackjack it is same situation- drunk people take very long time to say what do next and also make stupid decisions

     
  23-Aug-18, 15:28   #14
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misteriopj 
Joined: Nov '10
Location: Venezuela, Bolivarian Republic of
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 64

It can be well taken by some players, while others when playing for cash there to make good decisions, there to put it to the test to see how it goes to the casino if its players see it profitable.

     
  23-Aug-18, 17:14   #15
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 41 (F)
Posts: 12981
If i am not mistaken in live tournaments, there are supervisors besides the dealers, that one
can ask to take some actions against a specific player.
I have watched live tournaments online, that this has happened.
When that happened, the supervisor, or floor manager, however they are called,
timed the player.

How many times is it that someone stalls in a live tournament in every single hand?
In other words i dont find this a good addition to live games.

     
  12-Sep-18, 14:25   #16
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Tony_MON7ANA 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Japan
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 8401
It has been a long time since I played live poker.
Now I play only online poker and I am used to short thinking time (less than 30 seconds). People can sometimes unnecessarily overcomplicate things and make a decision that leads to an unfavorable outcome, no matter what.

     
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