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  7-Jul-09, 21:17   #1
A K versus 89s 0 
erik1970 
Joined: Feb '09
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 175
i lost a lot of games today again against 89s
can sombody please explain this to me?????
i play'd a few sit$ go tourny''s today and lost them all at pokerstars!!!!
mostly i lost with monster hands agains the 89 s
a few off them where 4,40 with 90 people in it and then they got me falling out at 30,19th,and 21 place.
playing for more then a hour of good play and the this s**t!!!
the last game i had AA one boy goes allin and he shows 9 J
on the flop Ques what JJ9 pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
i dont know how to play anymore!!!!!!!!!
even with monster cards i am scard now Smile

     
  7-Jul-09, 21:51   #2
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ImAllInAA 
Joined: Jul '09
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Keep in mind to play more than just your hand. Dont over play AK...this is really not that great when it does not connect. You might as well have 6-5 if you do not at least pair you hole cards. Do not go around shoving preflop with this hand. Definately raise preflop but only to 2.5x-3.0x and keep in mind position is everything. Be aware of your image (have you been playing a lot of hands or only a few) as well as everyone elses. Do not just think that this is a game of luck, there is a lot of skill involved and you need to capitalize on your ability if you are a thinking player. Plus Pokerstars low limit tournaments are basically a free-roll. I would suggest sticking to the cash games as there is a lot more money to be made on the ring tables than on these low buy in tournaments on the major sites (ie pokerstars, full tilt, etc.)

     
  7-Jul-09, 22:10   #3
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daverj 
Joined: Apr '09
Location: United Kingdom
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just finished 4th in a stars 18 man. was in the lead with 6 players and had 2 all in. im holding aces and lose to someone that gets a 2pair. left with about 2bb i push with 24off and am called by AKs. i win with a pair of 2s.

so always push with trash hands and fold monsters.

     
  7-Jul-09, 22:14   #4
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razordemon 
Joined: Nov '08
Location: Portugal
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 25
It´s realy anoying when we loose with very good hands, but has ImAllInAA said "Dont over play AK..." Confused

     
  7-Jul-09, 22:14   #5
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doomdy 

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90Man SNG/MTT have big variance so you cant expect ITM finished all the time.
Keep playing like that and ITM finishes are coming Smile

     
  8-Jul-09, 06:21   #6
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erik1970 
Joined: Feb '09
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 175
hello,i know this is not a game of only luck! but sometimes it seems like it.
i had about 6000 points and it was at that time when the bb where 400 then i made a bigg rais then this boy went allin he had about 8000 point so he did not have to go allin but he did Angry
sometimes i feel like if they know what the fuc is comming,lol
i know is not true but i think you know what i mean
i play thight agresive {BUT NOT TO THIGHT}
i stil have to learn a lot but this pisses me off Big Smile

     
  8-Jul-09, 07:44   #7
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
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AKo vs 98s is only a 60 to 40 favorite. So you will lose a decent amount of times against those suited connectors. Get used to it.

     
  8-Jul-09, 08:27   #8
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doomdy 

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Posted by shokaku:
AKo vs 98s is only a 60 to 40 favorite. So you will lose a decent amount of times against those suited connectors. Get used to it.


Exactly, AKo and AKs are nice hands but be carefull putting your whole tourney on stake with it.
Any pair is ahead and sooted connectors are not far behind.

     
  8-Jul-09, 08:30   #9
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petey1980 
Joined: Jun '09
Location: United States
Age: 37 (M)
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Your going to lose the AK vs 98s much more often than say AK vs AQ or AJ, this is why it's often not a bad play to push with 98s when short stacked and trying to steal. You generally won't ever be dominated and if you get called by an overpair you at least have a chance to hit a flush or straight.

     
  8-Jul-09, 08:32   #10
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
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I luv sooted connectors Smile
Not the small ones but 78s and higher, big monsters Thumbs Up

     
  8-Jul-09, 08:35   #11
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wildenbosch 
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Location: Netherlands
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niet zijken gewoon all in

     
  8-Jul-09, 08:38   #12
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doomdy 

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Posted by wildenbosch:
niet zijken gewoon all in


Jup dont be a nitt, shove it Big Smile

     
  8-Jul-09, 08:42   #13
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shokaku 

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Posted by doomdy:
I luv sooted connectors Smile
Not the small ones but 78s and higher, big monsters Thumbs Up

Mhhh. Actually, those hands are better for cash games (read: when you are deep). In tourneys, what do YOU dominate with those holdings?

     
  8-Jul-09, 08:44   #14
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doomdy 

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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy:
I luv sooted connectors Smile
Not the small ones but 78s and higher, big monsters Thumbs Up

Mhhh. Actually, those hands are better for cash games (read: when you are deep). In tourneys, what do YOU dominate with those holdings?


I mean luv to see a flop cheap with it Smile

     
  8-Jul-09, 09:39   #15
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
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Posted by doomdy:
I mean luv to see a flop cheap with it Smile


That is the way to do it. Thumbs Up

     
  8-Jul-09, 09:46   #16
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SuperNoob 

Joined: May '09
Location: India
Age: 32 (M)
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Ak is always a drawing hand, when you go allin with Ak you are always taking a chance and if you don't hit a/k then you will lose big most of the times.
and 89s are not bad cards to play with, as when they hit they win big.
If you play low stakes people will gamble more and you will have more badbeats.

     
  8-Jul-09, 11:07   #17
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Gottfriedx 
Joined: May '09
Location: Netherlands
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 360
I've got some really bad experiences with Pokerstars aswell, although it IS probably the best site out there. But that's why I only play poker with friends nowadays Blink
If they win like that I can atleast kick their butts

     
  8-Jul-09, 11:12   #18
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DEA187 
Joined: May '09
Location: Canada
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 12
It's just fate my friend.. I've been crushed by much worse complete tripe hands than some 89's... I tear the wings off of an angel each and every time I get BS'ed by some milktoast who hits trips / full house with his original pocket twos... that's life + poker + bullshizz.

     
  10-Aug-09, 22:25   #19
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MasterY 
Joined: May '09
Location: Denmark
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 191
I agree with most of the users.

AK shouldn't be overrated. It is a very good hand to move all-in with, but unless you feel ICM cna justify it a call would probably be wrong. Even against 72 you are not more than 2 to 1 favourite (approximately).

I recently had a lot worse bad beat that still bugs me, but that is how poker is.
I was in a heads up in a 3500 GP on Ipoker - stacks was almost equal, I was a bit shorter though and suddenly we went all-in - I had KK and the other guy 78 suited --> and he hit two 8'ts...... Maybe I came in second, but in that particular moment I felt cheated out on 450 dollars by Ipoker..... But hey like I said thats poker.......


     
  10-Aug-09, 22:45   #20
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Flangel 

Joined: Nov '07
Location: Belgium
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 1289
AA = just a pair
AK = fooking hand , and nothing more then a drawing hand like 89s

Says enuf
Dont overplay AA, AK or whatever
Lay AA down on a paired boared like JJ9

Easy fold imho postlfop

     
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