Milesaway558: A bot or a genius?

12/16/2008 3:58:44 PM GMT

43 tables???? It gets hectic if i try to play 4 tables. Guess it is a good idea to limit the number of tables one player can sit at.

12/16/2008 3:58:58 PM GMT

How can you play 43 tables omg.
I did 9 in the past but stopped cos i get a headache in concentrating but 43 wtf.

Very nice winnings but so much tables not for me..

T3ddyKGB

12/16/2008 4:13:48 PM GMT

id say this is a bot because its impossible. 4 tables is OK and even that can really be pure hectic if theres fast tables, because you try to raise at one table while another table popup in the window. and if you dont react in time you just sit out.
ok at pokerstars you have 1min time....but 43 tables ??

Sascha2k

12/16/2008 4:49:43 PM GMT

Hm...hard to believe that someone can play 43 tables at the same moment. How many monitors does he has to have? And how he does manage to play hard situations. Cant believe he never has to think about a situation if he can call or not. Maybe he plays 12 tables by his own but not 43! Must be bot!

JeVoOOo

12/16/2008 4:55:52 PM GMT

Here's a clip of Havad Khan playing 26 table at once

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=X61dIrAmrz4

Here's a another guy doing it

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jO8LLYa3SHc

And another guy doing 50 tables!!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XfTAgkwxgko

12/16/2008 5:10:08 PM GMT

For one you don't play short handed tables, and especially not heads up. It all depends how many hands you play. You can play solid by the book tight poker on micro limit tables and play about 15-20% of hands, even less if it's really bad opponents that doesn't pick up on it, which is usual on micro stakes. So it is very possible, I mean 10 tables is pretty standard for serious grinders, so why wouldn't people be able to handle a lot more.

Sascha2k

12/16/2008 5:17:01 PM GMT

Hope you're right.

Predobar

12/16/2008 5:38:19 PM GMT

Here is another one of Khan.
Did you all see how Khan knew that guy was bluffing when he was holding AA, he gets them around 5:32 of video linked below, WOW, <=sarcasm. Why don`t you let him bluff at you then, 1on1 holding aces guy is bluffing. LOL

Poker sites should put limit or make bot usage legal, because that`s what he is, living bot. These practices kill the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQl0xgIP5D4&NR=1

lomax

12/16/2008 5:54:51 PM GMT

mhm i can't belive!?! 43 tables at pokerstars ?? simple incredible Shock

this is certain a genius Smile

Marclor

12/16/2008 7:56:24 PM GMT

I used to play 25 tables and would not need the "time" feature to get the extra minute. So 43 is definitely possible to do, especially if he had one of those programs that just fold trash hands for you (which i didnt have). Even without it im sure a couple people can do it. The tables he played at probably were 10 handed too which slows the pace of the game.

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Edit : I finally had to stop cause I wanted to go to the gym on a strict schedule and concentrate on university at the same time.. Sad

padod

12/16/2008 8:12:49 PM GMT

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Posted by Predobar:
Here is another one of Khan.
Did you all see how Khan knew that guy was bluffing when he was holding AA, he gets them around 5:32 of video linked below, WOW, <=sarcasm. Why don`t you let him bluff at you then, 1on1 holding aces guy is bluffing. LOL

Poker sites should put limit or make bot usage legal, because that`s what he is, living bot. These practices kill the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQl0xgIP5D4&NR=1

i agree with predobar lets start banning people for using there brains this way we will all play as bad as predobar and he mite win a buyin

/sarcasm

taavi19

12/16/2008 8:53:33 PM GMT

WOW

50 tables omg

12/16/2008 8:57:21 PM GMT

Bot or guy playing 43 tables doesn't matter both are easily crushed. Same goes for the short stack bot players on Ipoker Veiovis, Play3r1337, Chanfong, JohnEdvards and Andreo11. They are all losers in my database except Chanfong, two of them are playing so poorly that they are on my buddylist which meens that im actually looking for them when logging in Big Smile

Sadly it seems they are winning rake races, check top 3:

http://www.titanpoker.com/leaderboardd.html

12/16/2008 9:08:06 PM GMT

Looking for shortstackers? Are there no deep stacked fish at your current level?

12/16/2008 9:18:22 PM GMT

Yes my buddy list contains easy money, short and full stack. Really doesn't matter as long as it's easy Smile

Im multi tabling so can't be too picky but full stack fish are ofcourse preferable.

12/16/2008 9:46:17 PM GMT

All depends on your pick of table, against a lot of deep stacks short stack strategy is solid poker with a small bank roll. With some smarts though deep stacking is better when you have built up a bigger roll though. But seriously you can't argue with his results, if he plays so bad how come he makes so much more than most other, most probably including you. In the end profit is the measurement of successfull poker.

Predobar

12/16/2008 10:03:59 PM GMT

i agree with predobar lets start banning people for using there brains

So for you its right move to get bluffer out of the pot? That is really smart play.
Are these Your ITM finishes?

12/17/2008 12:23:13 AM GMT

Posted by Whiskerer:
All depends on your pick of table, against a lot of deep stacks short stack strategy is solid poker with a small bank roll. With some smarts though deep stacking is better when you have built up a bigger roll though. But seriously you can't argue with his results, if he plays so bad how come he makes so much more than most other, most probably including you. In the end profit is the measurement of successfull poker.

I was talking about the Ipoker shortstack bots, they play so bad. Short stacking will never get solid cause you can't play for set/str8/flush value but turn it around and the same goes you can't play them with drawy/set hands cause there is no implied odds in them, So yes they are annoying to play because you have to adapt your game so much to them but if done correctly it can be very profitable playing them. Especially the bots since they are playing so many tables you quickly require their raise/3bet shove range and note it, after that it's money in the bank.

I don't argue with his results, don't know over how long time he made the 107K$ so can't say wether he makes more or less than me but probably more. My point was playing 43 tables he's playing scheme/robot'ish poker which only can be done profitable vs non thinking opponents which you find at 6$ buy-in. Opponents don't adjust to him as they would at higher levels. A player as good as him or nearly could beat him playing less tables but maybe not making more money than him but be a winner vs him.

In the end successful poker is measured same way as any other buissness....profit pr time.

Jaydz

12/17/2008 1:03:23 AM GMT

Definitely not a bot, but I don't think I could play more than 5 myself.

Big Smile

reddevil147

12/17/2008 1:27:38 AM GMT

i think everyone who is calling him a bot are just jelous of his success.

medvedev

12/17/2008 1:16:50 PM GMT

Wow. 43 tables... I can't imagine how he can make it himself. Perhaps a group of people (a team)..... Anyway that's fantastic.

12/17/2008 1:18:10 PM GMT

Sure someone could beat him at maybe even 8 tables, at which point he is still killing at 17 tables, so imo he's still got you.

12/17/2008 1:44:53 PM GMT

I think he can make more money with less tables and a limit higher....

Predobar

12/17/2008 2:03:24 PM GMT

He can win money, after all he has stats to prove that but that is not poker. That`s some math game with elements of multilevel marketing. Numbers over quality.

12/17/2008 3:04:40 PM GMT

Predobar spot on.

Can this guy prove his results when I sharkscope him he has $16K profit, not $107K.

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Posted by Whiskerer:
Sure someone could beat him at maybe even 8 tables, at which point he is still killing at 17 tables, so imo he's still got you.

You got something wrong out of 43 tables he is killing none of them he is playing str8 forward and living of people mistakes which there are plenty of at 6$ tables. He doesn't dominate(killing) any of the tables, more like marginal winner but with the extreme number of tables it turns into cash.

MANUEDO

12/17/2008 3:43:05 PM GMT

Is it all real ?
And the interview is real too ?
Which poker magazine was made this interview on ?
Who was the interviewer ?

12/17/2008 3:53:26 PM GMT

Regardless of semantics, my point remains valid, you can maybe beat him on a few tables, but that is still a minority of what he is playing. Besides, it seems you have got something wrong, sharkscope only covers tournaments.

12/17/2008 5:05:00 PM GMT

Posted by doomdy:
I think he can make more money with less tables and a limit higher....

Maybe. But with higher variance too. With so many tables a bad beat or two is of no big influence to the results.

12/17/2008 5:33:15 PM GMT

Posted by Whiskerer:
Regardless of semantics, my point remains valid, you can maybe beat him on a few tables, but that is still a minority of what he is playing. Besides, it seems you have got something wrong, sharkscope only covers tournaments.

Nothing wrong here, I asked if he could prove his results cause sharkscope only said $16K and as I understand it his maingame is 6$ S&G.

I'll cut it out for you so you understand. When I ask if he can prove it, it meens has anyone seen any evidence of these results if not from sharkscope then graphs from HEM/PT.

GamblinDemon

12/17/2008 6:44:46 PM GMT

My records is 12 tables in the mean time but i had a lot of troubles because i organized them all next to each other so they were sooo smal... i think the best option is to have 2 30" monitors Smile

eltuga007

12/18/2008 4:12:04 AM GMT

wow 43 tables omg is genial

12/18/2008 10:32:41 AM GMT

I dont see why he is a genius ??

12/18/2008 4:53:52 PM GMT

Posted by doomdy:
I dont see why he is a genius ??

Winning $100.000 + at such low levels? Not that easy. But you have to be a leatherass (or a bot) to do it.

12/19/2008 9:09:33 AM GMT

Posted by shokaku:

Posted by doomdy:
I dont see why he is a genius ??

Winning $100.000 + at such low levels? Not that easy. But you have to be a leatherass (or a bot) to do it.

Yes true lot of money 100K Cool

But is he a good poker player? Dont know. He definitly make more money as i do with poker Blink

DUDEHIGHLAND

12/19/2008 3:32:41 PM GMT

dos he have 20 pair of hands and 10 pc with 10 monitors??

tim2012

12/22/2008 1:19:01 AM GMT

this smells like bullshit if you ask me 43 tables man i mean..come on with 4 you go crazy cause when you want to raise with one the other comes..and another so 43 seems impossible to me can't be done trust me.....

DoffR

12/22/2008 3:50:05 PM GMT

Ofc it can be don tim2012. Many players does that. They play very very few hands.

Rasmusbre

12/25/2008 9:43:58 PM GMT

I dont think its possible to make that good a bot. If you have a Bot you will win some if you are lucky - but in the long run you will lose?
Havent heard of a bot that works anyways =)

Calmplay

12/25/2008 9:59:45 PM GMT

Obviously both Big Smile

I don't think he's a human being as no human can master 43 tables at the same time in poker & the worst make a profit of 100k. Come on ... Thumbs Down

intentcity4

12/26/2008 9:28:17 AM GMT

i dont think its possible to play that many tables, if it were possible the tables would have to be 10 seaters which he may do, but it has to be a bot, are bots legal??

dunotra

12/26/2008 9:46:03 AM GMT

Posted by intentcity4:
i dont think its possible to play that many tables, if it were possible the tables would have to be 10 seaters which he may do, but it has to be a bot, are bots legal??

Yeh 43 tables dos sound a bit unbelivble, I tried 4 once and i could not keep up with them and bot's are not legal on most sites. Poker stars have a list of band software on there site. But some of the bots have ingenus ways of clocking them selfs. had a look at one a few weeks back and to make it look human it even chated in the chat box to outher player's just thing's like nh gh things like that.

Even SharkScope band on Stars now I think

BDD420

1/1/2009 7:55:20 PM GMT

Well tourneys is easy I used to play 5 or 6 cash tables at once 1/2 2/4 blinds, Tom Dwan plays 8 heads up tables at once 400/800 etc.. But while i was playing i seen lots of ppl playin up to 10 12 tables at once, they only play top hands AQ or better etc.. So its not really that hard with 2 or 3 monitors. You lose the ability to read most of your players and notice paterns but you are destined to win if you keep playin K's and A's etc..

silentcell

1/2/2009 3:31:05 AM GMT

total fkn bullshit.the guys prolly some freak of a pinhead who has no life.

1/2/2009 8:49:34 AM GMT

Posted by silentcell:
total fkn bullshit.the guys prolly some freak of a pinhead who has no life.

Yes he has a life with money Tongue

Not for me so much tables but hey nice money Smile

T3ddyKGB

1/2/2009 1:00:49 PM GMT

if the pokerroom hasnt much traffic and you see 3-4 players at several tables then you can calculate what hands they gonna play. i was also playin 4 tables at once and had alot fun vs this guys. i just checked on which table they focus right now ( by delays) so i was often able to know when i may bluff raise at a certain table because i knew hes focusing on another table (which i was delayin lol - he waited for me to call/raise his huge bet). this has not much to do with poker, but i had alot fun that day Big Smile