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Dutch Judges Claim That Poker Is A Game of Chance

Tags: Holland.
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 by "T".

The Dutch appeals court ruled that it is unlawful for people to hold poker games because they are equivalent to gambling, according to a report from Dutchnews.nl.

The decision originates from an almost 10-year-old case that involved two males who were prosecuted for hosting super low-stakes tournaments of Texas hold'em poker at a bar for a period of two years, which attracted around 70 players.

In the years 2010 and 2014, the lower courts were in favor with the poker players that the game is based on skill and so they would be exempt from the law that requires them to secure a gambling license.

The defense disagrees, stating that "poker is a complicated multiplayer game in which chance plays a role." Nonetheless, the defense also added, "the player who is the most agile can have a significant influence on the course of the game," and so poker can be "a winning game of skill that can be played."
Moreover, the Netherlands acknowledge pro poker players mainly for tax purposes.

The defense also stated, "Poker can be deemed a sport that has become enormously widespread since the 1990s." However, their statement failed to convince the Dutch court.

The probable reason is that the Dutch judges believe that due to the fact that you have no control whatsoever on which cards are being dealt to you, then poker is simply all about luck. It is quite an archaic perception about the game. The ruling said, "How skillful a player is, on the cards assigned to him, he has no influence."
Even though poker games are strictly prohibited to be hosted by residents in the Netherlands, people can still play poker and other casino games via the state-owned Holland Casino Amsterdam.


SOURCE:  http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/03/poker-is-a-game-of-chance-say-dutch-judges/

 


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14 comments for "Dutch Judges Claim That Poker Is A Game of Chance"

 pochui3/15/2016 12:21:27 PM GMT
well poker is a form of gambling and luck does play an enormous role, especially if we are talking about short term results, so i do understand this verdict. however there are arguments supporting that poker is a skill game, still this depends on many factors. i guess each case should be viewed separately.
 xxxpokerxxx13/15/2016 1:43:18 PM GMT
Just another(the judge) person,who probably never played the game,or,has played,but never won any thing,it's always those people who cry the loudoust about poker being a game of chance as apposed to skill.
 demodawggy3/15/2016 2:45:21 PM GMT
... Big Smile< Some folks are VERY skilled at playing games of chance,....which poker is...a game of chance...!

... Big Smile< The skill in poker is in 'manipulating' people,...such as 'fooling' or 'bullying' them at certain times...but that has NOTHING to do with the mechanics of the game.

... Big Smile< The thing that makes poker 100% chance is....:

No matter how good you are,,...you CAN NOT tell or predict what the next card up will be,...OR, what the other person(s) will do or how they will react... ONLY when you CAN predict results 100% of the time for as long as you live, will it then become a game of 'skill'... Big Smile Thumbs Up

... Big Smile< As soon as there is the slightest or minute amount of chance,....so much as 0.000000000001% chance involved,....it all becomes 100% chance,......because like russian roulette,...you can NEVER tell which chamber has the bullet in it...!

....And I'd argue that 'Fact' with the best of them... Big Smile
 IceQueenAce3/15/2016 5:36:08 PM GMT
Demo I cant decide if you are being sarcastic or dumb lol
 demodawggy3/15/2016 6:27:17 PM GMT
... Big Smile< ...just for the record IcyOne..... That wasn't me who gave you a Thumbs Downneg,.....BUT,....I WILL go and give you a pos Thumbs Up which will effectively erase it...

Big Smile< ....Oh,....incidentally,...I was being serious.... Big Smile< 100% chance... Tongue
 pinotte3/15/2016 7:38:10 PM GMT
Helmut said that if there was no luck in poker he would win all the tournaments he enter. Big Smile Big Smile

This is the old question about skill and luck nobody can denied that there is a factor of luck in poker however what is the percentage luck compare to skill. Question Question Question

I wont say that Helmut i right but if you look at tournaments with an entry fee of 50K and over i think that there are not many non skill players entering.

So all skill players together and how many of them are winning more than one. Question Question

What make the difference if it is not luck. Question Question Question
 damosk3/15/2016 10:33:24 PM GMT
Poker is a game of chance, whether you like it or not. No matter what skill you may employ, the outcome is still based on luck. Luck that the right card or cards will come or luck that the guy with AA will fold to a bluff. If he doesn't fold, then he is lucky that he didn't fold and called correctly.

As far as we are all concerned does it really matter as long as the government keep taking their share and the poker providers take theirs?
 LadyFloppy3/15/2016 11:28:54 PM GMT
Poker has a percentage of chance, but it's definitely a game of skill, especially if we're talking about live poker face, where there comes into play a rigged software
The player who has more skill will have a greater chande always win the game by more than their cards are not so good
It could also be considered a sport, but I think culturally never recognize it as such
 Pygmalion693/16/2016 12:32:05 AM GMT
These Dutch judges are degenerates, but have legalized prostitution but fail against poker Confused
Who understand them Question
Poker is a game that mixes chance, skill and ingenuity in equal parts
I do not think it will ever be considered a sport, because they are not given the conditions for that to happen
 bowie19843/16/2016 1:10:01 AM GMT
Posted by pochui:
well poker is a form of gambling and luck does play an enormous role, especially if we are talking about short term results, so i do understand this verdict

Dutch justice system still make no sense for me tbh...
 SBEP3/16/2016 4:37:57 AM GMT
What is it that u guys dont understand? its so plain and simple, they are pushing the decision that "poker is a game of chance" and not skill, coz if its skill, they can not tax it, if its gamble, they can, and thats all there is to it.
Corruption, its the name of the game, its not that u dont understand it, u dont want to, thats the difference, people really need to get off their asss, and spill some blood, sorry to say but there is no other way to stop corrupt people, do as the mafia does, go to those judges homes, pay them a visit, make them an offer they can not refuse, make them realize that they are not untouchable, and thats all there is to it. Big Smile
 bowie19843/17/2016 1:37:50 AM GMT
Posted by SBEP:
sorry to say but there is no other way to stop corrupt people, do as the mafia does, go to those judges homes, pay them a visit, make them an offer they can not refuse, make them realize that they are not untouchable, and thats all there is to it. Big Smile

The mafia is no longer looks and behaves like they did in the Godfather trilogy, let's just leave it at that.
Today they don't send offers, horseheads or any other cute things around - they just simply make you dissapear.
 Serpang3/17/2016 1:52:31 AM GMT
Judge /government / public figure / extremist society who have power and think they are know what is goodness and wisdom (different opinion they disagree ) push / compel ( ? ) us to receive their will ,lol. They think they save us and did human right already. Evil bless them to hell, hope so Big Smile Big Smile
 StheP3/17/2016 11:25:08 AM GMT
there is a lot of people that are living avidence that poker isnt game of chances, or luck, that poker is a game of skill... take for example player Mustapha Kanit... here is what he won in last year and a half...

Fourth place in the $25,500 High Roller at the 2014 PokerStars Caribbean Adventure (PCA) for $492,600
First place in the AU$1,100 No-Limit Hold'em event at the 2014 Aussie Millions for AU$196,000
First place in the AU$1,100 No-Limit Hold'em Six-Max event at the 2014 Aussie Millions for AU$104,000
Fifth place in the $1,500 No-Limit Hold'em event at the 2014 World Series of Poker (WSOP) for $117,079
Fifth place in the $1,500 No-Limit Hold'em Monster Stack event at 2014 WSOP for $128,862
First place in the €50,000 No-Limit Hold'em Super High Roller at the 2015 European poker Tour (EPT) Grand Final for €936,500
First place in the €10,300 No-Limit Hold'em High Roller at 2015 EPT Barcelona for €738,759
Third place in the €25,600 No-Limit Hold'em High Roller at the 2015 WSOP Europe for €227,145
Fourth place in the $100,000 No-Limit Hold'em Super High Roller at the 2016 PCA for $596,360
First place in the €25,700 No-Limit Hold'em High Roller at the 2016 EPT Dublin for €501,640

plus he won this sunday million, his nick on pokerstars is lasagnaaammm....

and if you call that luck or something like this I would tel you that you are wrong...

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