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Doug Polk: Tom Dwan’s gambling debts could be bigger than previously thought

Tags: Doug Polk, Tom Dwan, WCGRider.
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2017 by "K".

Douglas "WCGRider" Polk admitted in a video blog a week ago, March 8 Wednesday, that when he was just starting out in the world of pro poker, he idolized Tom Dwan, who was once considered by many as one of the most-feared online cash game players in the world.

However, these days, he said he is no longer a big fan.

In the video blog, the 28-year-old Polk said that Dwan, who goes by the online nickname “durrrr”, might have an enormous outstanding debt to one of the world’s most successful sports bettors.

Polk said that there’s strong “evidence” pointing Dwan as the individual who owes Haralabos Voulgaris a ‘seven-figure’ amount of money. Last year, Voulgaris revealed that a player in the high-stakes poker community has not kept his end of the bargain. At that time, he wouldn’t say the name.

But now, the speculation has increased even more after Voulgaris wrote last Tuesday on his Twitter feed:

Polk said Voulgaris basically “tweeted a ‘where the f—k is my money?’ statement”.

Last month, another poker player, Dan “jungleman” Cates said that Dwan ‘gambled beyond his means’. Cates has been insisting that Dwan recommence their long-dormant “Durrrr Challenge” that would allow Cates to get $1.5 million from a side bet (assuming that Dwan did not show up and beat him in the challenge). Polk said that Cates was “scammed” by Dwan.

Watch Polk’s video blog on Youtube: https://youtu.be/wtvXzlskhRA

Thanks to TV, Tom Dwan instantly became a poker legend, in which the exposure at the time was able to capture some of his epic hands that featured some of the most brazen bluffs in cash game poker history.

 

Source:

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/21419-polk-poker-legend-s-gambling-debts-could-be-larger-than-previously-thought

https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/839170306061160449


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25 comments for "Doug Polk: Tom Dwan’s gambling debts could be bigger than previously thought"

 pochui3/16/2017 9:16:18 PM GMT
well there you go... hansen, blom now dawn... all of the hyper aggressors are sitting on the toilet crying about the days when they ruled the world... who knows maybe they just played their part in a well organized social engineering scheme, where they were given cash to play stupid style and make random sh1theads believe that this is how poker should be played... then everyone just parted with their money... as usual, 10% of the dudes took cash from remaining 90%.
 T3ddyKGB3/16/2017 10:04:51 PM GMT
Posted by pochui:
who knows maybe they just played their part in a well organized social engineering scheme, where they were given cash to play stupid style and make random sh1theads believe that this is how poker should be played... then everyone just parted with their money... as usual, 10% of the dudes took cash from remaining 90%.


hahaha that sounds like a conspiracy theory. but you know what.. anything is possible. it wouldnt be such a bad idea to do so. it just doesnt seem to work out, if on the other side sit a rich drunken russian who doesnt care about money and act like: "wtf, i show you whos got the bigger balls" and calls anyting because he feels provoked Big Smile

 Robbo19903/17/2017 12:56:55 AM GMT
1 week late on this 'news'...just wanting something to post? so ill expect sometime next week you will tell us about team pokerstars new pro igor
 bowie19843/17/2017 1:38:18 AM GMT
I am having a hard time believing that these man have had seven figures to spare/to spend on an addict gambler yet they cannot pay out a fragment of this to a PI to actually find that addicts whereabouts. Idiots all around.
 doubletop7773/17/2017 9:02:01 AM GMT
I think Tom Dwan should be ashamed of himself, if it is him, and pay up. These bets were put on in good faith and should be honored. The amounts are huge and lets hope it gets resolved soon
 Gerimantas3/17/2017 1:55:34 PM GMT
Interesting story, I always think that olayers like dwan are really good cash players and that they are just looking for finding rich opponents to make some easy money, but this story shows that thi gs are not so easy for such well known players as dwan
 TheIrish773/17/2017 3:12:49 PM GMT
I just saw an interview with a pro and he pretty much came out (without mentioning names) and said Tom Dwan owes him 7 figures from him placing bet's through tom on sporting events and never getting paid and him basically not ever responding to him.

He seems like a real degenerate from what it sounds like. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt but how many stories can be lies? You're looking very shaky Tom sort yourself out mate.

I'll try to find it again
 StheP3/17/2017 3:21:55 PM GMT
Posted by TheIrish77:
I just saw an interview with Alec Torelli and he pretty much came out (without mentioning names) and said Tom Dwan owes him 7 figures from him placing bet's through tom on sporting events and never getting paid and him basically not ever responding to him.

He seems like a real degenerate from what it sounds like. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt but how many stories can be lies? You're looking very shaky Tom sort yourself out mate.

I'll try to find it again

it wasnt alec torelli... haralabos voulgaris ( dont know if I spelled right...) but he look alike like alec... so I see your mistake... here is video if you wanna see...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtvXzlskhRA
 TheIrish773/17/2017 3:38:11 PM GMT
Thank you STheP I tried remembering and tried to edit but couldn't remember the guys name.

I thought he plays for 10's of millions in Macau ?
 StheP3/17/2017 5:11:14 PM GMT
Posted by TheIrish77:
Thank you STheP I tried remembering and tried to edit but couldn't remember the guys name.

I thought he plays for 10's of millions in Macau ?

well thats what some people are saiying... but I doubt it... he played couple of tournies there with nice buy ins... but IMO I think that he is staked and that he is in lot of debt... just think about it... why is he gone out of public... he could make some serious $ from sponsors and other stuff... so he must be in lot of debt and hiding...
 TheIrish773/17/2017 6:03:06 PM GMT
Posted by StheP:
Posted by TheIrish77:
Thank you STheP I tried remembering and tried to edit but couldn't remember the guys name.

I thought he plays for 10's of millions in Macau ?

well thats what some people are saiying... but I doubt it... he played couple of tournies there with nice buy ins... but IMO I think that he is staked and that he is in lot of debt... just think about it... why is he gone out of public... he could make some serious $ from sponsors and other stuff... so he must be in lot of debt and hiding...


Yeah I think he's really in a bad spot. Possibly owe the triads some cash now ? Playing in Macau wouldn't be surprised.

Not worth ruining your name over and never getting a game again. But greed will do that to people.
 Mober3/17/2017 6:07:01 PM GMT
Probably he is the only one that knows how high that debt is.
Thats just a story confirming that once a professional doesnt mean you will be
your entire life successful making millions out of it.
There is the other side of the coin too.
 StheP3/17/2017 6:23:00 PM GMT
Posted by Mober:
Probably he is the only one that knows how high that debt is.
Thats just a story confirming that once a professional doesnt mean you will be
your entire life successful making millions out of it.
There is the other side of the coin too.

well also he made millions in his time... he has even biggest live pot won... so he was thinking he was invincible... so that effected him IMO and he continue to play with huge confidence and lose all his money IMO...
 Tony_MON7ANA3/17/2017 9:48:39 PM GMT
I have done some serious sh*t when I was in my 20s and early 30s. How old is Tom Dwan now? Around 30? He can't continue to live like a spoiled kid forever. Life catches up with him, eventually.
 bowie19843/18/2017 1:40:15 AM GMT
Posted by Tony_MON7ANA:
He can't continue to live like a spoiled kid forever. Life catches up with him, eventually.

Life is gonna catch up with everybody sooner or later - the real question is he gonna live long enough to pay these men back or they will just choose it to settle this the old way and set an example out of him.
 Tony_MON7ANA3/18/2017 2:23:14 AM GMT
Posted by bowie1984:
Life is gonna catch up with everybody sooner or later - the real question is he gonna live long enough to pay these men back or they will just choose it to settle this the old way and set an example out of him.

The funny thing is that I didn't think that way 15 or 20 years ago...

Well.., actually, I still think I can get away with things I have done in the past.
Life is full of unexpected twists and turns, isn't it?
 pochui3/18/2017 9:41:04 AM GMT
voulgaris... nice surname, immediately a picture of a dude who spend most of his time with 3+ sets of melons comes out from the back of the spoiled mind, kinda you know, living the vulgar life- pot, vodka and babes... many babes. apostolos dude, don't give any more money to dwan, he's a loser, better just spend your cash on vulgar life and enjoy yourself.
 Robbo19903/18/2017 12:15:09 PM GMT
guys a bit of a sucker, giving 'dwan' money to place bets on his behalf....after how long do you do that if the guy isnt paying you your winnings, and why not make the bets yourself unless it was illegal - plus its not new so could of happened before dwan went off the grid in macau. also ivey is involved with dwan owing jungleman. nothing else in the world of poker is as mysterious or as captivating as dwan
 damosk3/18/2017 12:20:17 PM GMT
So! With a niche in the market why wouldn't someone seek to exploit it for benefit for themselves and hang out to dry those puppets with whom they play their game and let them believe they are better than they are and then when they don't make it leave them handing out to dry. Poker is more than wild bluffs! But then, perhaps this was one of the best!
 Mober3/18/2017 7:17:30 PM GMT
There might be more to the story according to what robbo is saying
There is also that possibility, which is a bit extreme, placing bets for other people.
Which he keeps losing Smile
So again why giving someone that unlucky, money, to place bets for you Smile
 pajalnick3/18/2017 8:15:36 PM GMT
If you give money for bets or games, then you should understand that winning is certainly possible but not necessary .... it is difficult to understand this story ... as I understood the documents confirming that the money was borrowed no
 TheMachineQC3/18/2017 11:57:36 PM GMT
Tom Dwan is broke because he's a nit!! lol

I don't even know if these rumors are true. Obviously back in the poker after dark days I'm sure they were gambling a lot of sponsors money more than their own like Pochui said. That helps making big plays. But I don't know. Being agressive can be hard when your big hands don't hold because you take a lot of risks to get these good spots. But yeah most cash games players are a lot better than they were 10 years ago, and people know his style from all the tapes. You have to keep evolving constantly!
 bowie19843/19/2017 2:22:10 AM GMT
Posted by Mober:
There is also that possibility, which is a bit extreme, placing bets for other people.
Which he keeps losing Smile

It has to be something like that, this guy is not a massive looser in poker I think, it has to be something other behind the whole thing.
 vaskarch234/1/2017 7:39:52 PM GMT
is this true or just rumour.. i really wonder
 Robbo19904/4/2017 7:05:44 AM GMT
Posted by vaskarch23:
is this true or just rumour.. i really wonder


i doubt its true as hes been rumoured to of played in million dollar hands and flies around in a private jet. also if he is broke/in debt, he no doubt will find some some millionaire/billionaire to bankroll him for a %

phil helmuth says no

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