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Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 6197
As we all know Flangel is and was a big scammer no doubt about that. He still doin this at other poker forums. I am a bit shocked he is still NOT deleted by BRM but hey just my opinion. He can (if he wants) crack the safe every day, or at least trying, very strange imo. A gonna make a poll on this one, lets have a go and lets see wot the average BRM member have to say about this.
I am sry Tony i make this poll but i think i have too, i hope ur not gonna delete it.
Joined: Aug '07
Location: Malta
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 8320
Digital evidence is easy to forge and I haven't seen anything yet to 100% conclude that flangel *is* the same guy and that *he* did what he is accused for. And even if he did, where do we draw the line? Did you, doomdy, not steal a candybar when you were a kid or smoked something illegal on your vacation in another country?
I can let the poll be but have disabled MobPoints for it.
Regarding the MobSafe, sure he can try to crack it, but it doesn't mean he can cash it out if he wins - so no need to worry about that.
For now let's just try and focus on the issue at hand and I haven't seen anything really conclusive from flangel himself yet. It's obvious that if he doesn't respond then it's easy to draw the conclusion that he's guilty, but even if he might be innocent and doesn't reply, then how can we know (if he doesn't reply)?
If we block him, he won't be able to defend himself or reply to questions about what he might have done. For now, at least, I don't consider it +EV to ban him. He's not going to be able to do any financial harm to any BRM members anyway (and if he does, then it's the member's own fault for sending money to him).
Honestly I don't think he (or anybody else for that matter) will ever get away with asking for money on the forum - and receive it - before several BRM members have commented and adviced against it.
Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 6197
I think its about the statement admin, do we want he gonna defend himself? For wot purpose? He cant defend himself, he has no explanations for wot he done in the past and still doin? Its just a scammer, and yeh there is plenty off evidence on the net (mostly in dutch true). For me its now like this: ''He did not harm too BRM but yeh he did many many times at other forums/selling sites, but not too us so peace and let him stay''
Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 3871
even if he didn't break any rule here now it is clear which was his real purpose here
I invited him to stay here (http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=thread&i... as he did before monamil came (btw sanctify her as soon as possible) but the kind guy pokerpro always ready to help other disappeared like snow under the sun.
it is the real demonstration of his aims
so ban him? if it was to me, yes
big thanks to monamil and a suggestion to flangel: get a job as normal people do
only hope that freeroll related to his challenge will be taken cause I voted NO and I guess i will be right
PS: damn... if he will decide to defend himself here I will havo to buy other popcorns
Edited by magatt966 (28 September 2009 @ 11:40 GMT)
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Finland
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 168
Flangel is all the way scammer no doubt about it! So I absolutely vote for Yes ban forever! So can he truly crack mob safe??? That´s ridiculously stupid s**t Some ppl are swettin about to crack that thing and using their points on that thing.
Joined: Oct '08
Location: Germany
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 2025
you steal candys and smoke illegal stuff admin? i think everyone of us has done some illegal or wrong things in his lilfe. if you judge someone by his past then you have to ban 90% of the community, but this case is something else. actually i could care less if he gets banned or not because i definalty wouldnt give him money. theres maybe 2or3 peeps i would give money and that would be an amount that wouldnt hurt me. its about the princip.....having a scammer among us. and not about what he can do or if its the members own fault if they give him money. i havent investigate my self but if i trust the members who have then i have to say hes guilty. otherwise dont ban him. i love reading bad excuses or "self-convictions" ...but he doesnt even bother to come back to defend him self.
I can just agree with doomdy. Besides that, doomdy was very kind to him, he actually gave him a chance to give a statement, before he told us his point of view etc. Many were dissapointed also, but everyone gave him a chance, so that flangel could defend hiself, but did he used this opportunity? No, he disappeared and started scamming on a new forum. Not to talk about all the scamming stuff BRM members found about him on the web...
Hell, I do not see any reason to NOT ban flangel?!
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Croatia
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 1308
Well I just found out that he also makes duplicate accounts on forums, yeah I know but really had nothing better to do , so maybe if there is no big deal in checking out this could be the reason if one is needed.
Same story, small amount transfer, hit and run.
He will not try to defend because there is nothing he could do but create another account.
I know this topic is going to start a ton of pages but I don't think he will come back here anyway. Could you imagine the amount of crap he would get from BRM members if he did post again. I know what I found by searching and so many others did it as well. People like him will eventually mess with the wrong person and he will end up getting it one day. Who knows what would happen, but the web is so big and there are some crazy mofo's out there. You know what I mean. He def. has a problem with gambling and scamming. It's a good thing everyone was alerted when they were, otherwise he could of done some real damage. Like admin said "he could crack the safe, but doesn't mean he can cash out." Hell, give the money back to BBP if they staked him for the $250.
Joined: Feb '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 64 (M)
Posts: 751
in life things are sometimes more complicated as they look , it's so easy to create a poll about banning yes or no !!! would it be not better to create firstly a poll about the fact that someone has giving real evidence yes or no, because as far as i know did nobody show some real evidence !!! in regular life you need to have at least some real proof before you can bring someone to court , not only just some words !!! this does not mean that we can't have a opinion and just because of a opinion you can not ban him from BRM , at least that's my point of view in this matter ! if eveybody would ban people out of a community just because they have a suspicious opinion about someone well than we are a very long way from home !!!
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6483
I don't see point in banning him, i understand it got a bit personal for doomdy and i see why he's upset, I mean, it was a real dig at him all in all.
But for the most part, far as I can tell, it's just good for a laugh. Who cares who or what he is, sif I'd ever send some random from the 'net $$ anyway.And if you do do that - then deal with it lol.
And i've always had strong principles not to judge others anyway, I'm no angel. I take responsibility for my own actions, no-one elses. So what do i care if flangel stays here ?? I wouldn't think of him any different than I do already and always have "indifferent"
Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 1118
he admitted he is pieter b. there is pretty much no doubt pieter b is a scammer. (reminds me a bit of the discussion if smoking is dangerous back in the day. it was obvious to everyone it is, but science took a bit longer to proof it. with all given respect: this is silly.)
as for the candy bar example. i am sure e1 of us did something wrong in the past. but this dude is not only showing no sign of regret, he also continues. it is one thing to have one silly exception and another to systematically rob as many people as possible.
why protect a scammer (what gives you doubt, to all the people who are still not convinced?) (beside the fact, that he got a good chance to defend himself and all we got was lies and contradictions), even after he most likely scammed one of bankroillmobs business partners? banhammer please. this is gettin ridiculous imo!
Posted by umarplus: he admitted he is pieter b. there is pretty much no doubt pieter b is a scammer. (reminds me a bit of the discussion if smoking is dangerous back in the day. it was obvious to everyone it is, but science took a bit longer to proof it. with all given respect: this is silly.)
as for the candy bar example. i am sure e1 of us did something wrong in the past. but this dude is not only showing no sign of regret, he also continues. it is one thing to have one silly exception and another to systematically rob as many people as possible.
why protect a scammer (what gives you doubt, to all the people who are still not convinced?) (beside the fact, that he got a good chance to defend himself and all we got was lies and contradictions), even after he most likely scammed one of bankroillmobs business partners? banhammer please. this is gettin ridiculous imo!
Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 6714
OK so guilty, what does banning him do?? Not guilty, what does banning him do?? I googled my name once theres a fair few of me, and im actually none of them. Best to just let it die. IMO if you get scammed, lesson learned. Id bet lots of members have been scammed at 1 point, and dont know it. Id bet lots have members have pulled scames, little or large, knowing or not. Fk me im in the UK, govenment pull more scames than nigeria as a whole.
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Canada
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 3207
i dont think he should be banned...now that we "might" no hes a scammer how can he possibly scam us? no ones gonna trust him obviously but we still need some intel on poker lol atleast i do..all the articals hes writin really helped! i think if hes gone someones gotta take his spot lol..ne one out there got some good poker knowlegde they wanna share? can nickname u flangelthegood lol
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Canada
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 3207
Posted by pothead2012: for the advice on poker just search the internet i guess thats what he did since his player accounts are all out of profit!!!!!!
Gotta go need to steal sum candy
PS: i think he should stay untill he got enough points to pay bbp back if they stacked him
yeah true could do that...just nice bein able to associate with ppl from around the would on there thoughts and feelings!
Some ppl are swettin about to crack that thing and using their points on that thing.
