Posted by Mirza84: Since we agree AA is cursed hand on merge,
AA is cursed on all networks lol Most people overestimate their AA and endup losing, remember AA is just a pair and than just think how many hands are won by a single pair only, so if the board is not favorable fold , you can save few $$ for u
As soon as people see AA, they think they've won the pot. Don't slowplay them, and if you do, be prepared to lay it down. HU preflop allin=always call, except for dons offcourse and even then I'll prolly call, I'm cocky that way. Don't get greedy, you will lose a lot, and that's just karma.
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Posted by Aggro666: Of course, the RNG of NO poker site is really certified by an indepentent institution, and no poker site has an interest doing that. Do maintain a poker network running, you need a constant total BR of all players. Once the sharks or regular players would win against the "donks", within short time the poker network would decrease their income, as the sharks make the withdrawal and the donk would stop soon to pay in and play. The worsest page in this aspect seems to be Fulltilt, as once you start to win and pass a certain ROI you will definitly lose, you can do and play what ever you want, this has nothing to do with variance, it is just business, otherwise they could not keep the business running and mantain their PROs. (btw, John, I could be your BBP Pro )
The merge Network is quite fair and better in this aspect, but seems also not be free of this "donksupportsoftwareRNG"...
So, everybody must understand: Online Poker - does not matter which site - is not controlled, not regulated and if a pokerroom or network close down, you will lose all your money.
You're an idiot if you believe this and still play online poker. Sometimes it is you.
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Posted by KDRPKR:
You're an idiot if you believe this and still play online poker. Sometimes it is you.
YES, I am an idiot
But why to stop, if I believe that? That means only, that I just make a SNG Roi of 15 % instead of EV 20 %.. and of course I stopped to play at FT.
But, tell me, if you think, any RNG is really R, why, why for hell NO POKERROOM has an permanent independent controll of the RNG and controll, that always the same programe is in use...
It would be so easy: make a Real RNG, let test it, put it on a independent 3rd Party Server, no Player and not the Room/Network/Skin has access to the RNG... 100% safe and fair and easy... but nobody interested in...
Until somebody can explain that, I think, only an idiot can believe that a human made RNG from a commercial company is Random...
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Well after all this disscussion i have one thing to say. F**K merge, i lost like 10 times with aces today first in 5 bucks bountyi lost second hand heads up against k3 i raised he called flop brings Kd Tc 2d i checked he bets 20 into 400 pot i shove he calls rivers brings a K, before that i was shootin PLO i had AAKK after some raisin flop brings 33k i bet pot dude shoves i call he shows a 3 with some garbage conectors the turn is no need to guess a trey, after that my frustrations continued in omaha i flop set off aces with a ace hi flush draw after bettin pot on every street dude shoves on a river he made a 7 hi straight on a river with 46. And in dozens hand i had to fold aces cause u cant see a baord with a high card and some low cards like T25 nope its usally KT9 after that turn is a Jack and any fuckin conectors are leavin u virtualy drawin dead.
Thats why ima devise a new strategy for online play, evey 3 hands ima push all in, after that ima mix it up a bit and shove every 4 hands. And for a record last 3 live games i cashed my aces werent busted, my kings held up against weak draws i have serious doubts about online shuffelin i aint sayin its rigged, but i sure have that feelin every now then. Glad i got that out off my chest
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Even aces win only ~80% against one opponent, so you will lose a fair amount with them. Even worse, if it is multiway. Omaha is a different animal. Here the strength of preflop holdings is much closer.
Welcome to downswing side of the class buddy, i just graduated from there & back in to the winners side Just hang in there, dont allow yourself to go on tilt cuz thats where the real BR burning is! Unfortunatley i had to learn the hard way, just came out of a 3k downswing, took me another 3 days of solid solid grinding just to breakeven for the stretch as most of the loses in the downswing were tilt induced after badbeats lolzer
Not much I can add to this really.... I hope those of you venting got it off your chest!
We've all been on the receiving end of shitty beats and as some of the more astute of you pointed out, we remember the bad beats but not the times we hit our runner-runner double gutshot to take down the huge pot.....
As to the perpetual 'doom switch' issue.... tough one to argue against... we've all had it... running great and then all of a sudden it's bad beat after bad beat.
A couple of things here............. are you REALLY that good a poker player that you consider yourself to be invincible, or was it a convergance of good cards, poor opponents and a little bit of luck that put you on a winning streak? Take away any of these 3 components and your game won't look quite so good.
As for a rigged RNG....there's a couple of interesting thoughts that go along with this (I'm not in control of this and have no involvement in it so I'm talking purely as an impartial player here). In order for the 'doom switch' to work the system would have to
a) Be able to calculate and keep track of your hands in order to manipulate the cards (but what happens if everyone at the table has been 'doom switched'?
Then who wins?
Or all but 1 player is supposed to be on a winning streak? Then who wins?
This would then assume that the system is working on a sliding scale and you have to be at some point on this scale....so following that logic, every time you sit at a table the system has to work out where you are in relation to everyone else on the scale in order to deal the cards in the right way.
It then has to assess how you play in order to give the right cards to you in order to get you to follow how the system wants you to play to get the desired result....
b) Then it has to know who is going to deposit again if they go broke 'cos there's no point 'doom switching' someone who is going to leave forever if he goes broke so ideally the system has to know your bank balance and your inclination to deposit....
...so it now needs to know your income, expenses and available funds for playing poker as well as your mood and how badly you will be affected by your losing streak. Are you going to say "To hell with it" or are you going to come back and try again?
Now, in order to have this system run effectively all these calculations have to be done for every single player in every single hand, second by second.
But what about tournaments... should the system allow you to go so far before turning the cards against you?
And where on the 'doom switch' level should the winner be?
How can it allow an incredibly bad player to win a huge tournament against much better opposition without it looking horrifically fixed.
It wouldn't have to be just 1 hand to accomplish this, it would have to be every hand....
the entire tournament would have to be mapped out in advance in order to know who is going to win, which means your choices are no longer your own and you're being manipulated by the system (Is it me or is this starting to sound like the Matrix?).
Now obviously I've gone to the extreme with this analysis but if you follow the lines of argument all the way then this is the direction it leads.
I'm sure there's some things I've missed and some points that can be debated but in closing... if designers of software were able to build this sort of code into the RNG without it being blatently obvious to even the most minimal of scrutiny (most sites do have their software independantly audited by companies like PriceWaterhouse Coopers) then they should probably be working for NASA, FBI or someone!
Comments, analysis, debate welcome as always!
Cheers, John
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Think you said it all john ..... nice answer ......... Have to say love the site ..... and hoping after i finish the bankroll builder to continue playing here ..... couple of points .... could you make the hand history better eg have it all on the screen without the need to scroll to the right to see river,and have the cards on history the proper colors.... dont know if others have this problem but happening a lot to me when i close the history window it also closes whole client software..... MORE SMILEYS love them .... beats giving out to players when i get bad beats to let off steam Maybe add a rocket launcher beside my avatar so i can blow them off the table occasionally .... that would be fun and tension relieving....
Posted by photolong: Think you said it all john ..... nice answer ......... Have to say love the site ..... and hoping after i finish the bankroll builder to continue playing here ..... couple of points .... could you make the hand history better eg have it all on the screen without the need to scroll to the right to see river,and have the cards on history the proper colors.... dont know if others have this problem but happening a lot to me when i close the history window it also closes whole client software..... MORE SMILEYS love them .... beats giving out to players when i get bad beats to let off steam Maybe add a rocket launcher beside my avatar so i can blow them off the table occasionally .... that would be fun and tension relieving....
There's a new release scheduled for Mid-Dec which should address many of the issues people have mentioned including the hand history (I hope). As soon as I have specifics I'll update you on them. Avatars .... they're always being updated and the xmas ones should be there soon (now?)
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i have to say there no way that bbp is fixing there games and kind of talk of that the site people who play there would run away maybe u fit in there with most and just call o0ff ur chips i find it a nice place to play ur going to have bad beats everywhere
i had 4 AAAA guys hits 1 outer for straight flush on ub dont even get me started on poker stars the king of bad beats maybe some of its ur play and u also go to think everyone in the world dont play as u do
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I must say this thread is pointless, loose with aces so what this s**t happens. just think when we pulling off the 1 outers, and how those other players feel who your doing it against. its a good feeling when your pulling these 1 outers on them, but its rigged if they do it to you? get a life for f**k sake.
Only bad experiance i have had was pitbull poker where i lost 2k to a superuser. but its all good because i cashed out 10k last year anyway so happy days. oh and you should of seen what i had to go through to get that money.......
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