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I was playing a MTT (32 players) for a league, and this situation came. We were still far from teh money positions. 18 players still remained.

As I did not know how to act on the flop, I bring the same question to you guys.

What would you do on the flop and why?

*Of course If you would have played the hand in a diffrent way pre-flop all the comments will be welcome.

Level V (75/150) - 2009/10/19 22:10:20 ET
Table '199430343 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button

Seat 1: PlexoChi (1979 in chips)
Seat 2: ejuar (1180 in chips)
Seat 5: Anto731 (2705 in chips)
Seat 6: fe_devil (2186 in chips)
Seat 7: Mr Stevan (2600 in chips)
Seat 9: afgomeze (1120 in chips)
Anto731: posts small blind 75
fe_devil: posts big blind 150

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PlexoChi [Ks Qs]
Mr Stevan: folds
afgomeze: folds
PlexoChi: raises 249 to 399
ejuar: calls 399
Anto731: folds
fe_devil: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd Ts Td]

PlexoChi: ???

     
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You are really all with less than 20BBs here?

Put him all-in. You have an OESD and two overs.

And next time with KQs UTG and stacks that shallow, push or fold preflop.

     
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249 to 399 is pointless unless you intend on jus shoving reguardless.
Im with shokaku, put him all in, id of done it pre-flop.

     
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Posted by B1gfoot:
249 to 399 is pointless unless you intend on jus shoving reguardless.
Im with shokaku, put him all in, id of done it pre-flop.



Not sure I agree with that at all

     
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That's a pretty conclusive looking poll anyway ,plus you should shove there with 2 overs anyway, never mind the open ended straight draw.

     
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All in if you ask me,,, Smile

     
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Posted by fcumred:
Posted by B1gfoot:
249 to 399 is pointless unless you intend on jus shoving reguardless.
Im with shokaku, put him all in, id of done it pre-flop.



Not sure I agree with that at all

You dont have to Smile
But the question still remains "What would you do???"

     
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since you all are shortstacked i would prefer to go allin preflop with KQs, but now on flop i would have put him allin. if you don't do it he'll definitely go allin, so why not have some fold equity.

     
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Would have gone allin preflop too or would have avoided to push preflop.
Depends on your kind of strategy but I prefer too avoid risks in tournament when I'm still far from money

     
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You are on straight draw and on flush draw; you still have 1500 chips and your oponent just 800. If he decided to go, being way behind you, he has strong hand, like pair or AK,AQ, AJ. In some of this situations you would be behind at flop but, once you are stronger in chips, you can try him and make a 400 bet. Its half oponents stack so, if he have low pair he will go all in, if he have T or J he will call to try and rob the max from you, if not he will fold. If you go all in after flop you can loose half you stack because of a to fast move so, its better to go slower in this case. You will risk less.

     
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Posted by shokaku:
You are really all with less than 20BBs here?

Put him all-in. You have an OESD and two overs.

And next time with KQs UTG and stacks that shallow, push or fold preflop.


I agree with shokaku. U have a lot of outs even if he has a made hand u ve got yourself a nice pot equity Smile

     
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I go all in. I think it's best way...

     
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Posted by SuperNoob:
since you all are shortstacked i would prefer to go allin preflop with KQs, but now on flop i would have put him allin. if you don't do it he'll definitely go allin, so why not have some fold equity.


That was I thought after.
Thanks to everyone, I think the right move was to put him all-in.
I don't know why I was playing too tight. May be because itg was a league between friends, with points per position and I didn't want to lose before the Final Table.

Finally I took the worst choice I guess. Check/call (yeah, why check if you are going to call his all-in, answer: I really don't know why I did that)

He showed A-4o, turn blank, river blank and the tournament ended to me.

I would bring later another hand where I'm not sure if my decision was correct.

     
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Posted by shokaku:
You are really all with less than 20BBs here?

Put him all-in. You have an OESD and two overs.

And next time with KQs UTG and stacks that shallow, push or fold preflop.

His M is about 8 here, so IMO, i dont think he's reached the point of fold or shove preflop. Once it gets below 5, thats when i would switch to fold or shove (most likely, depends on relative stack sizes & oppenents tendecies as to what hands im ready to commit with)
BTW plexochi, do you usually raise with KQ UTG? Not sure i agree with that play, but then again i play quite tight, and with your stack shrinking i would prefer to see a cheap flop with KQ & would prob fold to decent sized raise. Post flop, i would most likely push him all in right there, but that also very much depends on the opponents tendecy's again, & its really a toss up as to how confident i feel i could take it down right there, even if he calls you still have your open draw & 2 overs so its not a terrible play to push him in all honesty.

     
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I'm in Seat 1 but I'm not UTG!. I'm in CO position:

Anto731: posts small blind 75
fe_devil: posts big blind 150

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PlexoChi [Ks Qs]
Mr Stevan: folds
afgomeze: folds
PlexoChi: raises 249 to 399
ejuar: calls 399
Anto731: folds
fe_devil: folds

Big Smile

     
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I would consider going all in, have a good location, you can get a high pair or a straight on the turn - river, and the only hand that could be dangerous villain would be a pair of jacks or at least a pocket jacks in his hand. quite unlikely for the wager on the flop.

     
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I dunno if i would shove.
Maybe check, and re-raise if he shoots at it.

     
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