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  28-Oct-09, 11:31   #1
Is folding here too tight? 0 
Lurk3r 
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 95
Got eleminated from a FTP free roll in this hand. 450 left of 2700
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Quexacoatl [As Ad]
Huckle1 folds
g4b3n calls 160
jaxxonfly folds
SergioR47 folds
Griff94 folds
mcgrtm calls 160 -------> {VERY tight player. Only hand i saw him play before this was a KQo, and he only called preflop with that.}
sitemalldown folds
alters91 folds
Quexacoatl raises to 640
g4b3n folds
mcgrtm calls 480
*** FLOP *** [Kh Qc Th]
Quexacoatl has 15 seconds left to act
Quexacoatl bets 800
mcgrtm raises to 1,600
Quexacoatl calls 800
*** TURN *** [Kh Qc Th] 7 of diamonds
Quexacoatl bets 1,920
mcgrtm raises to 3,840
Quexacoatl has 15 seconds left to act
Quexacoatl calls 1,920
*** RIVER *** [Kh Qc Th 7d] Ace of clubs
Quexacoatl has 15 seconds left to act
Quexacoatl bets 4,135, and is all in
mcgrtm calls 4,135
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Quexacoatl shows [As Ad] three of a kind, Aces
mcgrtm shows [9d Jd] a straight, Ace high
mcgrtm wins the pot (20,670) with a straight, Ace high

I put him on two pair or better, but still called his reraises to the end.. To be honest i thought a straight was very likely.
Then the river killed me because i had every hand but a flopped straight beat.. which was fairly unlikely.
Would it have been too nitty to fold on the flop here?

Edited by Lurk3r (28 October 2009 @ 11:32 GMT)


     
  28-Oct-09, 11:50   #2
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fochizza 

Joined: May '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 467
Seems like you have a good read on the guy. If you know you are beat you should fold, altough it can be hard with pocket aces (but its just a pair Blink).

     
  28-Oct-09, 11:58   #3
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Doomsday_vic 
Joined: Jan '09
Location: New Zealand
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 463
Nothing wrong with folding, sometimes you got to go with your reads. You can raise a bit higher preflop though

     
  28-Oct-09, 12:03   #4
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Pjot 
Joined: May '08
Location: Sweden
Age: 51 (M)
Posts: 1362
I wish I could be good enough to fold there. I would have called, knowing for sure that I was beat, just because, I don't know... I'm an idiot. (Not saying that you are, but lately I have lost a couple of BI for no reason what so ever, calling when I'm totally beat.)

I would probably have told my self that his got QQ or something, the tight bastard, and thinks his set is good. FU! (But deep within knowing I'm beat. Dunno why I can't fold these kinds of situations. Earlier I could, but lately: no...)

     
  28-Oct-09, 12:12   #5
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awood88 
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
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Posts: 1885
In my mind you played this badly, particularly on the flop and turn. When you bet and call a min raise you're not getting any information and just making the decision tougher at the next stage. I would have put him on two pair also. In which case you can't keep calling hoping to hit the ace. I mean what if there was no ace. You'd still have to call the river after all the chips you've committed.

What I think you should of done is check-raised the flop. This has risks as you might allow him to hit a flush or straight but on a flop like that alarm bells should already be ringing. Your read on the other player says he has a hand so you don't want to get into a dangerous situation here. If you make a strong raise and get re-raised you know your opponent is very strong and then you should fold. If your opponent had bet with a pair he would fold being tight on a flop like that. If he checks behind you, unlikely with a monster hand, you can bet on most turn cards but still being careful not to commit yourself.

     
  28-Oct-09, 14:54   #6
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Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
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Posts: 4815
Its never too tight to fold Aces when you have almost sure you are behind. At this case, and considering you are playing against a very tight player, i would have only folded after wathing him reraising for the second time after the turn: that would be my moment to step back, never earlier. That would be the moment where he was confirming me my worst fear, his hand is better than mine.

     
  28-Oct-09, 16:35   #7
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
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Two raises from a solid player should ring some alarm bells. And you have only one pair on a very dangerous board.

     
  28-Oct-09, 17:44   #8
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Mast3rKush 
Joined: Sep '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 448
Posted by shokaku:
Two raises from a solid player should ring some alarm bells. And you have only one pair on a very dangerous board.

^Yup, my first thoughts exactly. Tight player, keeps coming over the top on a terrible board to be holding aces. So many possible holdings that would/might call a raise and have you beat.. esp in a freeroll, where even the "tight" players are still pretty loose... JA, J9, KQ, KT, QT, on the flop. and then the river that Ace would really worry me, esp since he pushed all in.. everything about his betting says he has the straight and has atleast a J, better to just fold the set, cut your losses in these marginal situations and get back in a in a better spot later on.

     
  28-Oct-09, 19:48   #9
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Plexo 
Joined: Aug '09
Location: Chile
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Posts: 1346
I would have never folded the the flop. I would habe pushed all-in after his min raises aahhahaha.
Anyway if you call on the flop, I don't get it why you make a donk-bet. You should have tried to keeo the pot low because you still have showdown value.

Your river bet is awful. Only better hands will call you.
Gl!

     
  28-Oct-09, 21:01   #10
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xxxbchxxx 

Joined: Nov '08
Location: United Kingdom
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Posts: 2194
I agree eit looks though you had a read on him and so folding was the deffo right thing to do.
Whats the point of putting more chips at steak, Just to prove your self right? you knew you was right so best to fold.
Possible argument for you not to call the raise but you had the game and if you have the chips it can be handdy if people think you'll call them down . you can use this to your advantage very well at a later point.
GOOD FOLD

     
  28-Oct-09, 21:51   #11
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Kriillee 
Joined: Nov '07
Location: Sweden
Age: 30 (F)
Posts: 40
Thats a really bad set up but since its a freeroll you only play for the 1st place so it was worth a try

     
  28-Oct-09, 21:58   #12
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SuperNoob 

Joined: May '09
Location: India
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 4873
i don't think it was too tight to fold there since you were up against a very tight player on a dangerous board. but since it was a freeroll not much harm was done

     
  28-Oct-09, 22:10   #13
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MANUEDO 
Joined: Apr '08
Location: Italy
Age: 53 (M)
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Of course neither too I think is too tight to fold 2 aces in general.
But here ? You pushed pre-flop, not all in just to try to catch him and then flop killed you, not river..
After flop probably you should have folded..
Anyway very tight player but very lucky fish Tongue

     
  29-Oct-09, 00:54   #14
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Lurk3r 
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 95
Posted by Fakiry:
Its never too tight to fold Aces when you have almost sure you are behind. At this case, and considering you are playing against a very tight player, i would have only folded after wathing him reraising for the second time after the turn: that would be my moment to step back, never earlier. That would be the moment where he was confirming me my worst fear, his hand is better than mine.

Yea i think your right.. I did almost fold on the turn, but then looked at chip stack and thought.. meh theres a chance i have him Tongue

@ plexo I betted the turn so he wouldn't be getting a free card lol... There was always the chance he was betting with a draw.

Cheers guys Smile

     
  29-Oct-09, 01:02   #15
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Lutenatik 

Joined: Feb '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 703
I personally believe that when u have american airlines during a freeroll it's always to nit to fold'em no matter what the board comes Tongue

     
  29-Oct-09, 05:04   #16
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klopmand 

Joined: Nov '08
Location: United States
Age: 54 (M)
Posts: 155

Quexacoatl bets 800
mcgrtm raises to 1,600
Quexacoatl calls 800


Problem starts right there.

     
  29-Oct-09, 05:16   #17
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psycokiller 
Joined: Sep '09
Location: Canada
Age: 45 (M)
Posts: 776
ThatS a bitch.Being more aggressive pre flop may have forced him to fold. It's not always easy to gauge your hand strength. From the way u describe it, this player was super tight.....it almost looks like he may have been bored and decided to play a weaker hand just to see the flop and happened to hit a monster. Maybe he folded a lot of hands that would have won and decided he was going to play it no matter what. Who knows, freerolls tend to be home to maniacs anyways.

     
  29-Oct-09, 10:47   #18
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magatt966 

Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 3849
Posted by Doomsday_vic:
Nothing wrong with folding, sometimes you got to go with your reads. You can raise a bit higher preflop though



this is exactly what I think about the situation you were involved into.

     
  29-Oct-09, 17:54   #19
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InTh3Flesh 

Joined: Oct '09
Location: Argentina
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 17
Posted by awood88:
What I think you should of done is check-raised the flop.


     
  29-Oct-09, 19:43   #20
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Yuki555 
Joined: Sep '09
Location: France
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 301
Gosh this playing is awful, let it go with the turn... By the way, limping with KQ isnt considered like tight, at most like serious. Revise poker man...

     
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