Joined: Oct '09
Location: Peru
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 18
it happens in real life too believe me man is part of the game, just because yo have more pobabilities doesn't mean you are gonna win. Now about the 7/2 and 7/7 hand that stonner mencioned i think anybody would be thinking is a lot of coincidence, u have your reasons to believe is cheat but it also could be coincidence altough
Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 6714
All the haters LOL. Dont forget what has happend in the past, wounder how many time ppl LOL when the said this one guy pottripper never seams to lose. As for me on PS playing last night and running hot and all the suddon 1 out of the 4 tables im playing crashes (network stats BS) the times it happend i was holding AK, AQ and KK, but only crashed on that one table??
Since the dawn of poker ppl have tried to cheat, rich and poor, dont belive for one moment it wont happen again.
ive played almost every poker site and yes pokerstars is different then the others but i think its because theres 100k+ players online,read the online gaming law and you will see they have to much money rolling in every minute, and to "cheat" to win 20 grand would be silly considering they rake in that easily every hour, they wouldnt risk that kind of loss, if they were cheating and lets say they were caught, they would have to repay every account that has ever deposited, and aslo a posted cheating alegation is enough for a slander suit so be carefull, or maybe checkers might be better for you.
Joined: Nov '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 18
yes they suck jokerstars it's rigged people who work there can join and see whole cards also the same situations keep happening 2 have cards that they will play pre arranged bullshjit is what i say still you can win money once you are in a winning strike but the day after you will pay it back most players i know play even.......
Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 6197
Posted by tim2012: yes they suck jokerstars it's rigged people who work there can join and see whole cards also the same situations keep happening 2 have cards that they will play pre arranged bullshjit is what i say still you can win money once you are in a winning strike but the day after you will pay it back most players i know play even.......
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Portugal
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 260
again, why the RNG should not be rigged??? Where money and humans come together, we see cheats...
But, tell me, if you think, any RNG is really R, why, why for hell NO POKERROOM, including Pstars has an permanent independent controll of the RNG and controll, that always the same programe is in use...
It would be so easy: make a Real RNG, let test it, put it on a independent 3rd Party Server, no Player and not the Room/Network/Skin has access to the RNG... 100% safe and fair and easy... but nobody interested in...
Until somebody can explain that, I think, only an idiot can believe that a human made RNG from a commercial company is Random...
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Croatia
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 1308
Let me just clear one thing about RNG certificates shown on every gambling site. They are all certified offline, meaning they take RNG code to some certifying firm and they issue them certificate that the software is random. What happens after is not certifying firm concern, software was random when they issued certificate and that`s all they are interested in.
If someone is interested in licenses and why they exist truth is only because of the banks. If some online gambling site wants to transfer money legally it is required to have license, to get license one must provide RNG certificate and that is all there is about licenses and certificates.
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Portugal
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 260
Posted by Predobar: Let me just clear one thing about RNG certificates shown on every gambling site. They are all certified offline, meaning they take RNG code to some certifying firm and they issue them certificate that the software is random. What happens after is not certifying firm concern, software was random when they issued certificate and that`s all they are interested in.
If someone is interested in licenses and why they exist truth is only because of the banks. If some online gambling site wants to transfer money legally it is required to have license, to get license one must provide RNG certificate and that is all there is about licenses and certificates.
BUT: These ones who tries to rig it are immidiately kicked off his account. Their account will be suspended and frozen I quess.
and on Chrismas I will get presents from Santa Claus...
on bwin/ongame as well as on PStars and even merge/bigbet I annunced cheating players, mainly regarding collusion, with clear and heavy evidences and facts.
result: no , all players can continue without any consequences, and no comment from the site what was happening. how people can be so naive?
Bernad Madoff, WorldCom, Enron, Merck --- each company bigger than all online gaming sites together,
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 401
There are too many sites datamining hand histories. Some display stats about those hand histories. Can't they use it to check if the events are following the desired equity? Or anyone pissed off with online poker do the same?
Many people get paid for being victims of collusion without even complaining, and playing 2 or 3 "sandwich pots" does not mean collusion most of the time.
And the cash in/cash out theory is pure dumbness. If it was true the pros would end up to run away from that poker room and deposit on another to maintain profit.
Hes an average donk. Just look at his charts, its mega swingy, which means he probably never heard of brm management and it goes more down than up - that tells me hes just bad. Sometimes lucky, but in general hes bad and moves down, where he belongs to. I know that because my chart looked the same, when I started playing poker and if you do some research from players at your table, which just play bad, you will see they 've the same chart or even worse. (btw, I didn't read the full article, too much text. )
Anyway, there will always be black sheeps, in EVERY business, just like few years ago, where some german referee got caught manipulating football matches with some crotian mafia guy. Should we accuse every single referee as a cheater now, if we lose a sports bet, because some bad ppl tried to make fast money? I think no, just like we shouldn't make other rooms look bad, which are truly not, only because we 've these so called 'black sheeps' in poker too.
The guy who was behind Pitbull Poker is arrested now, due to fraud and some more reasons. Btw, it wasn't the first time he scammed ppl, he did it in other none poker related business too. SUCH RETARDS ARE EVERYWHERE WHERE BIG MONEY IS INVOLVED.. thats it!
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Portugal
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 260
just to tell why I suspected the last "case" of collusion:
bubble time, utg bigstack "A" about 6.000 chips calls bb with 400, all fold, BB "B" small with 520 goes all in bigstack??? fold
hm very strange. makes absolute no sense. in a 20 $ don. big stack "A" raise every hand once he is in BB, now 500, player "B" goes all in with remaining I think 800 chips, BB A folds
i looked up for their stats, and surprise - how stupid someone can be... the last 5 days, player B only played every single sng together with player A. Ok, u can say, if they play a lot , can happen. BUT, they just play always only 1 table...and on different buyin ins... 10 $, sometimes 20 $ , but always together
I followed them to their next game, exactly the some, now player A had direct position on player B - player B bigstacked. On bubble time, player A called with crap an all in, and lost. Player B in SB folds every single time if alone with player A in the blinds, but calls every raise from other players and raise against every other player in the BB...
Please, when u think you need to make collusion, pls. not in such a stupid way ...
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SUCH RETARDS ARE EVERYWHERE WHERE BIG MONEY IS INVOLVED.. thats it!
exactly - and therefore we must be at least carefull and not naive, it happend, it is possible and will happen again. it is very possible, that is right now happening , why only yesterday and tomorrow???
I think, there are very very good arguments, why it could be, and again.. tell me, if you think, any RNG is really R, why, why for hell NO POKERROOM, including Pstars has an permanent independent controll of the RNG and controll, that always the same programe is in use...
Why every single small e-shop has an good certificate, very often - you are from Germany - from TUV... why there is no pokerroom with a TUV certificate? that would be perfect, like in Germany all offline gambling maschines must have...
UNTIL NOW; NOBODY COULD GIVE ME A SINGLE REASON WHY THE POKERROOMS DONT DO IT...
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As you are from Germany, all this stuff does not matter for you, as you for sure just play playmoney... as Real Money Online Poker is Ilegal in Germany and I am sure you are not a criminal
Hey dude post your hands cuz now i m curious to see all the bad beats u suffered 
