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How will you interpret this data is entirely up to you but one thing caught my eye, similarity between PS and FTP shuffling and now I found out they are certified by the same company, but that is just observation and is totally subjective.
About certificates issued to those sites I could only find FTP certificate on their site and PS did not put its certificate on the web, only some stupid remarks about certifying firm and even more stupid remark how their RNG was unbreakable, like that was the purpose of the test. Well at least that`s what I thought it was not.
"2.0 Findings Cigital bases its determination on the results of the statistical tests and the inspection of source code. We find that when the hardware entropy source is used with the supporting software that was provided, in the configuration described to us, together they produce statistically random and unpredictable output. Considering typical methods for exploiting RNGs and given our understanding of the source code, Cigital does not believe it is feasible for players to either know or alter the operation of the RNG under normal operating conditions.
3.0 Validity This determination of statistical randomness does not extend beyond the software and hardware components examined. These results pertain only to systems composed of the hardware and software that were tested when they are operated in the manner described to Cigital during the evaluation."
I am not going to put my comment in this post on purpose. Later maybe but you can see which parts I am most interested in.
Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 59 (M)
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What do you expect Predobar? A RNG that is more random than random? The testing firm can only test what is actually there. So i see no probs with this.
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 35 (M)
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I don't understand. I haven't read all the links as I don't have that much time to waste but from the text you've copied I can't see the issue. You expect us to be worried that Full tilt had their software approved by an independent company which concludes their random generator as random. The only problem I can see that you are eluding to is that Full tilt could for some reason change their software to make it not random or give a "dodgy" copy of their software to Cigital.
This debate is all too common but only idiots think that large poker sites pre-determine their cards. They have no reason to fix cards. They make money through rake which isn't effected by which players win money. It is in their interest to provide a fair and safe game as they have more money to lose if they are found out than the potential money they could make.
I would also point out that Cigital has to cover it's own back so they have made clear the conditions of their test, not to create any doubt on the poker company's values but as a disclosure for themselves.
I am not going to put my comment in this post on purpose. Later maybe but you can see which parts I am most interested in.
Please comment and vote.
---------- Actually, now that I did take the time to look at these links and do some reading, I would like to know what your comment/point is. I don't think these major poker rooms are changing or manipulating the output of the RNG. If anything the rooms are in compliance.
Joined: May '09
Location: India
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4873
i don't care if its not 100% random or not, what other choices you have? i'm not quitting poker for that and don't think u'll either, if you can win then who cares abt randomness
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 4827
Sometimes i get really mad when i loose and i start thinking about crazy things too, but then i take some time of the game, come back another hour with even more appetite to win, get to my objectif even if its in low stakes and then i forget about all of it. If i want the extremely serious thing, i will do it with my friends, its the only way to have everybody at the same level playing to win with the certain sure that noone is being helped more than the others: its just the cards and the way of playing of each one!
Joined: Feb '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 703
I voted no because although I had suffered for a long time incredible bad beats lately like 90-10 on the turn, I have to believe that it's just variance. U can not expect for people to be playing in high stakes like Phil Ivey, durrr, zigmuund, cole south, hansen... if that wasn t completely genuine
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Netherlands
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Posts: 735
So online poker is not 100% guranteed water-, fool- and croock-proof... so what is new? Everyday we are being screwed over by government, food and medicine manufacturers, banks and so on. I made it my hobby to get screwed over as little as possible... and sofar I'm donig fine. Sometimes I see funny stuff at a table and just leave, plenty of others. But I simply don't believe online poker in itself is rigged, just sometimes people see and take chances... till they get caught or whatever. So I voted no
Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 44 (M)
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With beer googles on, it seams to say to me skill outbeats luck, as no-showdown eliminates the luck factor. Playing poker is about getting them to fold besst hand or not. The best starting hand is just that, a starting hand. I vote outher.
The only people you really hear claiming that online poker is rigged seem to be the people who are constant loser/bad players. I have seen some strange things happening before, both online & offline, doesn't mean its rigged, thats just a part of poker, all you can really do is play your good hands srong & hope that variance isn't guna hit you hard.
Basically the site is saying that their card generator has been tested and accepted as random by an independent source. No problem there. I can't claim or disprove that a sit is rigged or not and the only worry I have with online sites are superuser accounts (Absolute and Ultimat Bet), and I feel pretty sure that FTP and PS are safe in that regard.
Joined: Nov '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 2194
No Not worried at all at the limits i play any massive poker site would be an arse trying to steal my cash when they could go after a guy that played much higher stakes and get 100 time the cash i could ever give them. RNGs are always a concern for people who dont have faith in what they can see with there own eyes..... when that idiot hits his only out against you that shorly has to be random yeah..... Coz no one in thier right mind should have been in that hand let alone be at the river to hit 1 outer. Randon does exactly what it says on the tin Thats not to say it wont be predictable but just random The way i look at this is never ashume anything... plan for the best ....prepare for the worst
-1 rating to OP. This is junk thread.
