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How do you play the fish on youre tables..... I play 2c 4c on Bigbet ....and the amount of fish are unreal ....... great you think .... but unfortunately they are winning... so need some advice ..... average raise is around 20c for a good hand and still around 3 callers .......so when i get A,A or the like I put in a raise of 40c (which i feel is excessive) reason being I only want 1 player to call and also want to get a big pot if someone is calling with rubbish ( and they do call) so far so good but Im loosing to hands like 4,7 ......on flop i bet about 80c (now i have notes on the players calling with rags so i know when someone calls if there calling stations or someone who plays decent hands) to cut a long story short im loosing to the rags winning against the callers with A,K ,Q,Q.... But surprisingly getting more calls with rags than good hands.
I feel preflop im doing fine getting players to call my massive raises when Im ahead but I must be playing wrong after the flop. Or am I just unfortunate that the rags are getting lucky.
I also play cash at this level on 2 other sites one is the same lots of fish and another site is totally different ....on this site i play 1c 2c and there really tight raise to 8c and the whole table folds.....such a difference..... i also find on the tight site i get to steal blinds so easy plus i win more hands through bluffing but building the cash is slow as the pots are far smaller.
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Those players can't be outplayed. So it is down to basic ABC poker. Value bet your big hands against them, they will call. Slow down on weaker holdings. Never c-bet with air. Never bluff.
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uhhh yes Fishes always calling and about 60 % wining takes strong hand was beaten by 2 low pairs .............. sometimes then they 10 hands in arrow raising always i start thinking maybe they use some helping ilegall programs there the river takes his card easy to complete his wining over u i never play longer if saw fishes i always go out of the table
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you need to be very carefull when surounded by fish.... I all ways try and be extra vigilant and only play very good hands.. the tighter i play the better (more winnings) BUT and the but is a BIG but you need to give them the impression you to are a fish... do this by chatting to them, nothing to heavy just a few nh's when they get lucky and play more hands, by this i mean see some cheap flops with drawing hands this will give the impression you play lots of hands when if you dont hit the flop just give it up... The fish love seeing flops so when you hit the monster they'll bet into you all day long. Remember:- Fish Are Food Not Friends
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Posted by shokaku: Those players can't be outplayed. So it is down to basic ABC poker. Value bet your big hands against them, they will call. Slow down on weaker holdings. Never c-bet with air. Never bluff.
perfect advice this, follow it and you'll improve.
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Posted by shokaku: Those players can't be outplayed. So it is down to basic ABC poker. Value bet your big hands against them, they will call. Slow down on weaker holdings. Never c-bet with air. Never bluff.
+1
I've played tables like you are describing. Don't get cocky with nice starting hands. You are absolutely right, you're playing fine preflop and screwing up postflop. Just continue to put in massive raises preflop, as per whatever the table is dictating. But don't donk your chips post flop, wait until you hit and then value bet the fk out of them. Just sit at the table playing ultra-tight ultra-aggressive. But fold your monster starting hands post flop if you aren't hitting big. That's the key. You can't C-Bet or bluff fish like the ones you are describing especially when you've committed them to the pot with moster raises. Also - make sure you keep your stack at laest 100BB deep so you don't miss any value when you do hit the flop.
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Thanks for all the reply's ... believe youre right cant outplay fish as they just call and call .... definitely cant bluff them .... tryed that with one the other day flop came with a K he bet and i put in a nice reraise he called turn he checks i put in a continuation bet he called river he checks and i put in a strong bet but no so much as for him to think i wanted to push him off the hand .... i was bluffing with nothing and he called with K,2 ......... me on the other hand instant fold with K,2 to reraise or at least bet turn and if reraised again no problem to fold
As for changing tables yes definitely think thats a good idea unfortunately sometimes on Bigbet there is just not enough tables running to hop on to another..... as i have done this on other sites and it helps, no point staying on a table where youre good hands are loosing to rubbish, when on another table the same hands and play are winning.
Well i started the Big bet challenge about 2 or 3 days ago, I've played maybe 3 sessions @ an hour long each.... 1st session thought id stick to proper BRM & started at 2c/4c, raises to 4bb/5bb would still get nearly the whole table calling me & i also had the same problems as u, constantly getting solid hands cracked. Dropped to about $6.50 at that table, KK got cracked by rags, lost a buyin to that, AK losing to a flush made by 37s LOL... anyways i just ogt sick of it and moved to 0.5c/0.10c & never looked back. Its almost as fishy there, but ppl atleast have somesort of idea what makes a playable hand & don't play it so much like bingo.... so i bought in with $4 bucks, & ran that up to $15 in my first session at those stakes. 2nd session & im now standing just short of $30, but all I've really been playing is a slightly weak-tight type of style & solid ABC poker, with the occassional c-bet on the right type of flop texture
Problem is fishers play without spending a cent. They use no deposit bankroll only to try to play and to earn further bonuses. They don't consider free bankroll as a chance to learn to play with no risks, but as the hope to win-
Firstly a fish is not a bad player who calls with utter garbage and doesnt have a clue what they are doing.. That is more commonly known as a donkey.. ( another name for a donkey is a complete ass ). They have no idea about hand strength and rely solely on luck. They have no idea what they are doing and poker to them is simply a bit of fun. They see any ace or any pair as an excuse to go all in. They see two suited cards and chase flushes. You shove and they will call with any two cards because in their miniscule brains, they think they have a 50/50 chance of winning.
Basically they are absolute idiots and shouldnt be let anywhere loose near a poker table. What however, they are not, is fish.
A fish is someone who can play the game, but takes unnecessary risks. They know the game but do not take into account pot odds and probability. They will call your bets on gutshot draws when the odds are completely stacked against them. Fish will fold pre flop with garbage, but after the flop if they have even the remotest shot at winning the hand they will go for it.
Fish will call with any ace hoping to hit. A fish will call a AKJ board with pocket 7s hoping to hit the other 7. Simply a fish doesnt lay down their hand to anything as long as there is the chance they may win. Bottom pair, flush draws, they will call with it. As the name suggests they FISH for the cards they need.
A fish is far more advanced than a donkey at poker. And there is a difference between the two. Alot of people struggle to determine the difference, and what I tend to find is those that dont know the difference tend to be the ones that dont know hte game themselves.. To them FISH is a name they've seen people being called and thinks it sounds the right thing to say.
Anyone who shoves all in pre flop with 3 4 offsuit isnt a fish.. they are bloody idiot....
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on UB they a redonkulas UTG i have AA everone folds to a small raise execpt cut off anyway long story short he has 89 spades and makes 2 pair on the river what a donk!!!
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I think the way you're playing is perfect fir those circumstances, very tight & very aggressive. I'd be surprised if that method didn't prove profitable for you.
Posted by fcumred: I think we need to determine what a fish is..
Firstly a fish is not a bad player who calls with utter garbage and doesnt have a clue what they are doing.. That is more commonly known as a donkey.. ( another name for a donkey is a complete ass ). They have no idea about hand strength and rely solely on luck. They have no idea what they are doing and poker to them is simply a bit of fun. They see any ace or any pair as an excuse to go all in. They see two suited cards and chase flushes. You shove and they will call with any two cards because in their miniscule brains, they think they have a 50/50 chance of winning.
Basically they are absolute idiots and shouldnt be let anywhere loose near a poker table. What however, they are not, is fish.
A fish is someone who can play the game, but takes unnecessary risks. They know the game but do not take into account pot odds and probability. They will call your bets on gutshot draws when the odds are completely stacked against them. Fish will fold pre flop with garbage, but after the flop if they have even the remotest shot at winning the hand they will go for it.
Fish will call with any ace hoping to hit. A fish will call a AKJ board with pocket 7s hoping to hit the other 7. Simply a fish doesnt lay down their hand to anything as long as there is the chance they may win. Bottom pair, flush draws, they will call with it. As the name suggests they FISH for the cards they need.
A fish is far more advanced than a donkey at poker. And there is a difference between the two. Alot of people struggle to determine the difference, and what I tend to find is those that dont know the difference tend to be the ones that dont know hte game themselves.. To them FISH is a name they've seen people being called and thinks it sounds the right thing to say.
Anyone who shoves all in pre flop with 3 4 offsuit isnt a fish.. they are bloody idiot....
What a great post!!
A very astute description of the differences between the 2 types...
The only issue I now have is that my poker site is a cross between an aquarium and a farmyard
Posted by fcumred: I think we need to determine what a fish is..
Firstly a fish is not a bad player who calls with utter garbage and doesnt have a clue what they are doing.. That is more commonly known as a donkey.. ( another name for a donkey is a complete ass ). They have no idea about hand strength and rely solely on luck. They have no idea what they are doing and poker to them is simply a bit of fun. They see any ace or any pair as an excuse to go all in. They see two suited cards and chase flushes. You shove and they will call with any two cards because in their miniscule brains, they think they have a 50/50 chance of winning.
Basically they are absolute idiots and shouldnt be let anywhere loose near a poker table. What however, they are not, is fish.
A fish is someone who can play the game, but takes unnecessary risks. They know the game but do not take into account pot odds and probability. They will call your bets on gutshot draws when the odds are completely stacked against them. Fish will fold pre flop with garbage, but after the flop if they have even the remotest shot at winning the hand they will go for it.
Fish will call with any ace hoping to hit. A fish will call a AKJ board with pocket 7s hoping to hit the other 7. Simply a fish doesnt lay down their hand to anything as long as there is the chance they may win. Bottom pair, flush draws, they will call with it. As the name suggests they FISH for the cards they need.
A fish is far more advanced than a donkey at poker. And there is a difference between the two. Alot of people struggle to determine the difference, and what I tend to find is those that dont know the difference tend to be the ones that dont know hte game themselves.. To them FISH is a name they've seen people being called and thinks it sounds the right thing to say.
Anyone who shoves all in pre flop with 3 4 offsuit isnt a fish.. they are bloody idiot....
What a great post!!
A very astute description of the differences between the 2 types...
The only issue I now have is that my poker site is a cross between an aquarium and a farmyard
Cheers, John
Good job you dont have Hellmuth's definitions too.
Jackal Elephant Mouse Lion.
I am sure that bloke has serious issues relating to animals.
When someone told him to watch Animal Farm, I am sure they meant George Orwell....
strong hand was beaten by 2 low pairs .............. sometimes then they 10 hands in arrow raising always i start thinking maybe they use some helping ilegall programs there the river takes his card easy to complete his wining over u 
I agree with this one ^^ they just call for fun sometimes, and when they do, they often hit something, it feels like xD
