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  17-Dec-09, 16:44   #1
Hastings and Townsend cheated Isildur1 +3 
M3turbo 
Joined: Dec '07
Location: Denmark
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 2644
Hastings said in an interview to ESPN that he and Townsend had planned a tactic/strategy to beat Isildur1 by studying several database handhistories which is illegal according to Fulltiltpoker.

Full Tilt Pokers terms and conditions:

Not Permitted Under Any Circumstances:

2. Shared hand history databases and "data mining" software, including subscription services and the exchange of personal databases:

The use of shared hand histories provides detailed information on opponents a player has little or no personal experience playing against, and is deemed to be an unfair advantage. Violating this policy is subject to the maximum penalties for prohibited software use.

Players are not permitted to use the hand histories for hands that they have not personally participated in. Software designed to collect hand history information from games that the player did not participate in is prohibited. Some specific examples include:

•community shared hand histories
•exchanging hand histories with a friend


Will Isildur1 get his money back ?

     
  17-Dec-09, 16:51   #2
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AA-Daelt-AA 
Joined: Dec '09
Location: Belgium
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 162
it's pretty sure that isildur either have some more personnal funds, anyway even if he doesn't, it's pretty sure that he will be stacked by another rich player that believes in him and get everything back in few days.

     
  17-Dec-09, 16:54   #3
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 6197
Posted by M3turbo:
Hastings said in an interview to ESPN that he and Townsend had planned a tactic/strategy to beat Isildur1 by studying several database handhistories which is illegal according to Fulltiltpoker.


Omg so stupid off Hastings Confused Your a pro offcourse you study oponents with all the software thats in hand and yeh even you can discuss it with other pros, why the fok your suchs a stupid ass to talk about this in an interview Confused Wot a moron Confused

     
  17-Dec-09, 16:59   #4
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M3turbo 
Joined: Dec '07
Location: Denmark
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 2644
Yeah doomdy I was like Shock Soooo stupid of him Aww crap!

     
  17-Dec-09, 17:00   #5
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 6197
Posted by M3turbo:
Yeah doomdy I was like Shock Soooo stupid of him Aww crap!


How the fok how stupid u can be Aww crap!
He is a pro wtf Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!
God damn no words for Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

     
  17-Dec-09, 17:04   #6
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M3turbo 
Joined: Dec '07
Location: Denmark
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 2644
I know poker skills and IQ does not go hand in hand but in the poker elite I believe they are all pretty sharp so how can he be this stupid Shock Aww crap! I don't get it Confused

     
  17-Dec-09, 17:07   #7
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Predobar 
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Croatia
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 1308
I was the one who voted NO

     
  17-Dec-09, 17:07   #8
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 54 (M)
Posts: 6690
Posted by M3turbo:
Will Isildur1 get his money back ?

Unlikely.
-It will be difficult or even impossible to proof
-Townsend got away with multiaccounting quite cheaply
-Sure Isildur didn't study Dwans game, before those two played?

Will Dwan get his money back?

     
  17-Dec-09, 17:10   #9
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 6197
Well i am planning to go semi pro in couple off years and offcourse i gonna use all the software thats in my reach, offcourse also all the software thats needed but on the ''NOT'' list (shhhtt no problem tosay it in here......), but offcourse i wud never discuss it with managers, public places ect, how the fok can u be named a pro doin such stupid @$%^$#%$# Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

Anyway i am cool now, just cant believe it Smile

     
  17-Dec-09, 17:31   #10
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Wargtass 
Joined: Oct '09
Location: Sweden
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 114
Nah Isildur won't get his money back. Townsend and Hastings are a part of FTP-team right? They'll find some loophole at FTP, letting it running out in the sand.

     
  17-Dec-09, 17:38   #11
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pokersztar 
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Hungary
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 426
Posted by M3turbo:
Hastings said in an interview to ESPN that he and Townsend had planned a tactic/strategy to beat Isildur1 by studying several database handhistories which is illegal according to Fulltiltpoker.

Full Tilt Pokers terms and conditions:

Not Permitted Under Any Circumstances:

2. Shared hand history databases and "data mining" software, including subscription services and the exchange of personal databases:

The use of shared hand histories provides detailed information on opponents a player has little or no personal experience playing against, and is deemed to be an unfair advantage. Violating this policy is subject to the maximum penalties for prohibited software use.

Players are not permitted to use the hand histories for hands that they have not personally participated in. Software designed to collect hand history information from games that the player did not participate in is prohibited. Some specific examples include:

?community shared hand histories
?exchanging hand histories with a friend


Will Isildur1 get his money back ?


yes Isildur will Smile

     
  17-Dec-09, 17:57   #12
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teteban 
Joined: Apr '08
Location: Argentina
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 748
don't think he will...I think the problem with the database sharing is more a global-level sharing. I don't think that sharing DBs between 2 players only (maybe effectively doubling the size of your DB) makes a statistical variation of importance

     
  17-Dec-09, 18:12   #13
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NANACONDA 

Joined: Oct '09
Location: Ireland
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 360
Once he realises that his omaha skills are at a 5c/10c level and he decides to stick to hold em he will get it bac for sure, but it will take time I think.

     
  17-Dec-09, 18:24   #14
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B1gfoot 

Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6714
I vote green tree.

Maybe.
I think there was a case a while back with no outher than Mr Bloom who I belive got money.
If he does it will be behind closed doors.
I hope he does, a blintent break of rules and first hand addmitiance.
Makes you wounder just how far they actually went, sat with phones in hand!!, if cought doing something like that id say jail.

     
  17-Dec-09, 18:38   #15
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haarten87 
Joined: Aug '09
Location: Sweden
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 81
He must get his money back! Evil

     
  17-Dec-09, 19:25   #16
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ih8usukouts 

Joined: Jul '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 1000
Posted by B1gfoot:
I vote green tree.

Maybe.
I think there was a case a while back with no outher than Mr Bloom who I belive got money.
If he does it will be behind closed doors.
I hope he does, a blintent break of rules and first hand addmitiance.
Makes you wounder just how far they actually went, sat with phones in hand!!, if cought doing something like that id say jail.


LMAO - You voted for the "green tree" too Thumbs Up

Anyway, that was extremely stupid for him to admit he studied his hands during an interview. So now how can he even deny that fact now that it's taped. So yes, the poker room rules have been broken and when you sign up you agree to the terms of that room.

     
  17-Dec-09, 19:34   #17
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racpxt 
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 401
To punish him, FTP (and another sites) would have to ban most of the people pralying there professionaly. Tons of HH for sell everywhere on the web.

     
  17-Dec-09, 20:25   #18
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LaBaiz 

Joined: Mar '09
Location: Latvia
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 556
I don't think if he is going to win all his cash back. But if he has some practice at a bit lower stakes he could have a good comeback.

     
  17-Dec-09, 21:38   #19
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M3turbo 
Joined: Dec '07
Location: Denmark
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 2644
Posted by shokaku:
Posted by M3turbo:
Will Isildur1 get his money back ?

Unlikely.
-It will be difficult or even impossible to proof
-Townsend got away with multiaccounting quite cheaply
-Sure Isildur didn't study Dwans game, before those two played?

Will Dwan get his money back?


Im affraid you are right, it's unlikely he will get any of these money back because it's very hard to say how much of Hastings winnings were won because of illegal studies.

"It will be difficult or even impossible to proof"

No it's pretty easy when he said it on tape.

"Sure Isildur didn't study Dwans game, before those two played?"

You are right he probably didn't but even if he did he hasn't been stupid enough to admit it on tape.

"Will Dwan get his money back?"

I don't know what money you are talking about, who cheated Dwan?

     
  17-Dec-09, 23:05   #20
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psycokiller 
Joined: Sep '09
Location: Canada
Age: 45 (M)
Posts: 776
If it's true that hastings used unlawful means to study hand histories than a lawsuit ould be in the works.

     
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