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Hello everyone
In a 4000 GP (11 dollars) tournament on Ipoker I went out on the following hand and I would like to know if you guys think I played it correctly.
Blinds are 40/80
I have around 2030 chips and the guy in the SB has 2250 chips.
Three players limp, one of them is the SB. I check behind as BB with 64 suited in diamonds. The pot is 320.
The flop comes:
3d 10c 7d
I have picked up a flushdraw as well as a gutshot straightdraw leaving me with 12 outs (9 diamonds and the three other fives aside from the five of diamonds).
SB bets out half a pot (160).
The way I see it I have three legitimate ways of playing this hand since to me folding is out of the question.
I could play defensively just calling and see if I catch something on the turn and get out rather cheap if he continues betting. The reason I choose not to do this is because I like playing my draws hard especially in this case with 12 outs. Also a bet of around half a pot seems like a bet to me that says: where do I stand? - I am thinking perhaps he caught the 7 or something like that.
The second option is to reraise him "moderately" lets say making it 480 (three times his bet). The problem by doing that is that I am not that deep. Sure I would have around 1500 left, but if he calls and I miss the turn I would have a very hard decision to make. I am in position so maybe the reraise would scare him enough so he would check the turn allowing me to see a free rivercard. Inspite of these considerations I don't choose this option. (perhaps a mistake - up to you to decide)
The third option is to simply put him all-in. If he folds I would have increased my stack with around 25 percent and if he calls it is given that I am definitly not chanceless. The problem with this move is that it has "draws" screaming allover it. In his position I would have put me on a flushdraw and strongly considering calling me with top pair.
I chose the third option putting him all-in and SB calls showing A10 suited (spades). He was a favourite 52-47 and it held up. (the two other limpers folded).
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I don't like to put a lot of my chips on a draw, unless i'm very deep. Then you are drawing fo a 6 !! high flush??? He can have A10 of diamonds ! He wouldn't fold a set either! I would have called for a cheap turn or folded right away.
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I simply do not understand how you can even consider folding, but that is just me. Easy fold Chartoule? I appreciate your opinion and respect it, but I disagree completely. He could have anything from bottom pair to a set, but betting half a pot in a four way pot is just to weak. I have good odds to at least call. I am surprised two out of three answers is actually recommending to fold. I don't think I can do that, but I will consider my options more carefully in the future though.
To Shokaku: I realize my potential flush would be small, but note I also have a gutshot straightdraw (even to a straightflush). I am assuming from your post you will call, but not reraise at all. That is noted and I will consider what to do in similar situations in the future.
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Forget the gut shot, quick call for the flush. All limp so no stong hands out there, weak 10 possable, outher flush draw or open end str8. For me id be looking at image here. Bet on the flop normall is weak play nout wrong with all in, id expect no callers.
Posted by Joe_Average: I don't like to put a lot of my chips on a draw, unless i'm very deep.
I agree. At maximum, it's a call. In addition, there were two limpers waiting to talk with possibly a pair in their hands because cards in flop are lower. Depending on the turn you could test SB's strength. Of course, if no diamonds in turn, check or fold.
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you're allin is a semi-bluff right??? Why risk your entire stack so early on for 320 in the pot???
I'd either fold, or call cheap and see turn and fold there if I haven't hit, I can see what you were getting at with the shove, but at the stage in the tourney and with your stack I think it was a terrible move.
With 2 others still to act as well, there's a chance your flush is beaten by a good one in which case you're drawing a 1 outer (5d). Or possibly 4 outer if no other flush is made and you can win on a straight. Either way, that was a horrible way to go out, there's just no reason to do that (risk entire stack on a draw knowing you'll prob get called) so early in an MTT
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I get where you are all going.
Thanks for your time and opinions. I will definitly take them into consideration next time I find myself in a similar situation.
To jessthehuman: The pot is 480 after Sb's raise making it 25 % of my own stack. I prefer to take the pot down right there and increase with 25 % because I also believe he could have so many hands where he would fold (flushdraw with no pairs out there for example). Middle and bottom pair would probably also be folded. Even if he calls I would still have a coinflip - not that bad. I realize there are to players behind me which is why I put a maximum pressure on the pot.
