i hate the new action point bouns you have to be in the hand to gain action points now for ipoker, what a joke
b4 i use to play omaha h/l and gain plenty of action points even if i wernt in the hand, i had agame of poker early on sat down at 10c/20c 10 seat nl holdem played for about 30/40 min and only earned 13 points what a one big fack up this lack is, how are you suppose to climb up the vip levels on vc poker now or ipoker network,? grinding away 10 tables at a time for 12 hours just to earn 500 action points, i dont think so.............
i need 1000 action points this month to stay at the vip level im at now and another 100000 to reach the next level, im never gonna do it after they change it,
but ive noticed the rake is still the same, shouldnt this be lower if only the people are in the hand are only getting the action points?
another thing the percentage of action points you gain from being in the hand is still the same, why is this ?? you should be getting more action points as the people not involed now dont get any as they did do b4 the robbing fookers change it
am not playing ipoker again as we are losing out more now, remember action points are not free cause they take the rake of your winning hands they make out they are giving it to you for free (my arse its not free)
i contacted vc chat manager and they said all ipoker network is like this now, i said why didnt i get a email about this change cause if i knew about i wouldnt fooking play here, and i bet many customers never got a email about the change too
phew im glad to get that off my chest, its good to let of some steam once in awhile, does any1 agree with me in whats happing on ipoker?
would like to hear your coments, many thanks dozn01
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Hmmm seems like lots of sites are changing the way they reward players now... Different sites making savings in the new year? I wonder just how much they save with little changes like this......must add up to big bucks on the bigger sites?
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Mansion sent me an email about this. I don't really like this change, although mansion is giving more points for the same rake since these new changes started.
Anyway I decided to cash out all my money and to move to another site with dealt rake system, the one that I like.
First is because Ipoker strictly forbids rakeback deals, and any one found to be getting rakeback risks losing their entire bankroll and the poker site in question could be shut down if they are known to be doing it. Some forums have lost affliation with sites for offering rakeback.
Ipoker have for a long time told sites and forums that if they persist they will take action to stop the rakeback deals, and what better way to do it than make rake harder to comeby.
Secondly, People were multitabling to earn themselves mega points but only ever buying in with the absolute bare minimum, as mentioned Ipoker have had enough of it. Many players simply refuse to play on Ipoker because of the mases of numbers playing short stack. On any given ring table you can have almost half buying in for the bare minimum, then never playing a hand, and the proper poker players are sick of it. Whats the point of playing a game where you cant win any more than about 10 BBs when you hit a monster hand.. Theres no point at all.
Ipoker want people playing with proper stacks and earning points by playing poker. Not sitting at a table and making everyone else do the work whie you commit little or nothing to the pots and get rewarded for it.
Good on them. I am sick of people playing 10-12 tables, buying in for the bare minimum and never playing a hand. Then getting rewarded for it. if they cant afford to buy in for the max, then they shouldnt be playing at all. It may get rid of all the short stackers who are making all the money and never playing a hand to get it...
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Posted by xxxbchxxx: Hmmm seems like lots of sites are changing the way they reward players now... Different sites making savings in the new year? I wonder just how much they save with little changes like this......must add up to big bucks on the bigger sites?
It doesnt save the site a cent. THe points paid out remain the same, its just split between those that are in the hand.
This isnt being done to save money, its being done to make sure that the players who do actually play cards get the points, and all those that sit there doing nothing dont get anything.
The only people who should worry are those that sit there and wait for AA to come along before they play a hand. They are the sort of people that Ipoker is trying to get rid of.
I could care less about ipokers reward system changes because I think their network stinks to high heaven. Alot of people who are buying in for the bare minimum are often regarded as Short Stack Strategists. To think that a site will change the rewards system just to discourage an honest poker strategy does not add up fcumred.
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This change will stop the mass multitabling super nits playing at IPoker. I guess Everest will have a lot of new players soon, as they are still have a different system.
To deal with massive SSSlers at a site it would be better to up the minimum buy in to 50BB.
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wtf?stinks? no i played on my 770 account after payout of mtt winnings 1st time for months and won a 5$ don easier than a 1$don at stars and a 1$ sng as easy can be with easiest moves both against regulars!.. tried this out to build up my roll on doyles room ( rakeback)
ok i have to say that there are not enough games at "my" times but why not to build a 2nd roll
Posted by psycokiller: I could care less about ipokers reward system changes because I think their network stinks to high heaven. Alot of people who are buying in for the bare minimum are often regarded as Short Stack Strategists. To think that a site will change the rewards system just to discourage an honest poker strategy does not add up fcumred.
Of course it adds up.
People who want to play with large sums of money are refusing to play there because they are up again loads of other people who wont match their stake.
Would you put $100 on a table knowing that the rest of the table is playing with the bare minimum and the most you can ever expect to win from them is the small pittance they bring to the table which can be as low as $10.. Its just not worth doing.
Serious poker players do not like SSS, and for that very reason Pokerstars and Full Tilt are both considering increasing the minimum buy ins to ring games to get rid of the scurge of ring tables who put the serious players off playing at sites where SSS is the norm.
SSS is very badly named, because its not a strategy at all. Its simply sitting doing nothing and then taking a gamble that when you get a big hand your all in shove pre flop will hold up. There is absolutely no skill involved whatsoever. No postflop skills. Just simply all in or fold. When you have 4-5 people at a table all doing that, then for the people who want to play seriousl poker its just a complete pain in the arse and I for one wont play on tables with loads of shortstacks.
As mentioned, Full Tilt and Pokersars are both looking to increase their mininum buy ins to ring games to try curb shortstacking, Ipoker is doing the same, and I think you will see the other larger networks following suit. SSS do not help pokersites, they do not help other players and they dont help themselves, because if they had any poker ability they would feel confident that they could go to table with a full buy in and stil come out a winner.
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Well put across fcumred, 100% agreed with the sites actions.
SSS is the worst way to improve at poker, those of you that use it aren't doing yourself any good in the long run. I have stacked so many SSS players it's ridiculous and 9/10 it's because I use the right math to do so... If however winning a tiny amount of dollers every now and then does it for you, then please, carry on.
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Posted by fcumred: SSS do not help pokersites.
Of cause do they help the sites. Those players use a very showdown heavy style of poker, and a lot play tons of tables at the same time. So the short stackers produce a lot of rake.
Posted by doomdy: Well i dont even know wots best, dealt or contributed? Its only intrested for cash players, and me no cash
It all depends on your style of play, and what rakeback deal you are getting and the stakes you play at.
If you are a tight player then dealt is the best because you get a % of the rake no matter how often you fold. If you are playing tight and on a LAG table, where pots are big, you are going to make serious rakeback just for sitting at the table.
If however you are very loose and aggressive then you want contributed because you arent sharing the rake out between all those sat at the table.
If you multitable, then naturally dealt rakeback can be extremely high, especially at higher limits, but the drawback with that is you lose your poker edge and your winnings arent as high as perhaps they could be if you played a more aggressive and looser game.
I guess its what you look for. If you want high winnings with rake back, then contributed is the answer, but if you solely want the highest return on your rakeback and are prepared to sacrifice some winnings to get it, then dealt is the better option.
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Yea they could raise the buy-in to like FTP wants... But ofc they don't want to do same as FTP so they don't look like they are coping them... And they are making something like that? Never back on playing IPoker for me i think ^^.
