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Joined: Feb '08
Location: Ukraine
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I played tournament in PokerStars, there was left 10 persons in total and 5 at my table. I post bb. My cards - 3s4s. There was 1bb raise and 2 calls. Pot was 48000 and I had post 1 bb for call, so I call. Flop - 9d4d4h. I bet 2 bb, one fold, one call and raise 3 bb - I call, other person fold. Turn - 3h. I bet little less than 2bb and go all-in. Opponent call. Showdown - opponent 9h9c. River - Qc. I was eliminated.
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If i see it right, you were down to ~ 9BB before the hand. One can't just call here preflop. It is either all-in or fold. With that junk, it is more a fold.
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I would personally fold preflop. I know it looks like you're priced in but these cards can get you into trouble more than they hit you a monster. If you hit three of a kind your kicker is too weak, if you hit a flush you're only getting called by a higher flush, and two pair is never good enough when both cards are below 6. Once you call preflop, it was always going to be hard to get away, three of a kind and flush draw. Personally i'd have pushed sooner to stop those draws from being hit. Your hand is likely to get weaker rather than stronger and it looks stronger than it is. In reality you have a very low set and low kicker with a flush possibility that is nearly worthless since a diamond is actually a scare card for you.
Joined: Feb '08
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I had 72511 chips. Blinds - 3k/6k ante - 625. Yes that was junk, but there was 48k chips in pot already, and I got to place 6k for a call. Having 34s I could hit straight or flush. And if I got called only by higher flush it is not important because chip that I get i everybody fold will be already half of my stack.
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Posted by Rainman: I had 72511 chips. Blinds - 3k/6k ante - 625. Yes that was junk, but there was 48k chips in pot already, and I got to place 6k for a call. Having 34s I could hit straight or flush. And if I got called only by higher flush it is not important because chip that I get i everybody fold will be already half of my stack.
I can understand your reasoning, thinking that you're priced in but the truth is it is far better to fold. The pot must actually be 42K assuming the small blind is one of the callers (that's 3x 12K plus your bb) otherwise it's 45K with the small blind folded. But your chances of getting that pot are a lot less than 1 in 8. Besides the fact that you have to beat three other hands, most times you will have to fold the best hand. The problem is that there is no ideal flop for 34s except a straight flush. Even a straight or a flush is not good enough to guarantee you the pot. You have no fold equity either with a hand like this. More trouble than it's worth. Plus you're in a tourney close to the final table with 12 bb left you can't afford to get involved in hands that require post flop betting or calling.
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I think you play it the right way : kind of hand that make the difference between a 1st place and a 5th place. I mean, you lost this one ! but maybe another tournament will be win because you came with a hand surprising everybody. Here you out Ten, but next time it will get you 1st and its better to get 1st and 10th than two time 5th
Whenever you are so terribly shortstacked as you were, you need to save your little chips that are left for the best possible opportunity, and calling with VERY LOW suited cards just is NOT the right thing to do. I can understand that you were a little desperate, but imagine this : with such high blinds and so big pots, players are going to wait for an opportunity, and when your table is shorthanded you would still need one big card, because someone is bound to play with bigger cards than your 3 and 4. On the other hand, when shortstacked AND shorthanded, you COULD go with a pocket pair, but not such a low one. In my experience, in this kind of situation it's still more prudent to play with a hand in which you have a high card (ace, king) in your hole cards, because your opponents may either have them too, OR you can even win with the high card.
REMEMBER ONE IMPORTANT STATISTIC : the chances of making a good hand with SUITED cards is MERELY 3 % HIGHER than with UNsuited cards !!! That tiny difference does not give you the edge you need !
Thats a tough beat to swallow, but that is the problem with these very low suited connectors, they're more trouble than they are worth IMO & esp with you being so shortstacked its defintley a fold preflop... but postflop theres no getting away in a spot like this, chances are id be going broke too with the fullhouse over fullhouse, it could have been avoided with the preflop fold though...
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Posted by shokaku: If i see it right, you were down to ~ 9BB before the hand. One can't just call here preflop. It is either all-in or fold. With that junk, it is more a fold.
3s4s is crap and, if there were 4 people involved in the hand, the common action is to fold. But, if you call, once flop is seen, you are dead, doesn't matter how to play.
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Only being chipleader I would play the hand like you did. It is a perfect opportunity to eliminate small stacks if your hand stands up, a small loss if it don't. But as said before, with just 9 BB's left its an easy fold pre-flop.
Fold Fold Fold for fukc sakes, fold those rags. With that small of a chip stack your better off blinding out of the tourny, hopeing that 1 or 2 people get swallowed up before u. Perhaps had u folded that hand, you'd catch better hole cards before the next orbit and double up.
