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Joined: Nov '08
Location: United Kingdom
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I've just started to use HUD on my cash game (although I might not be playing cash for a while) I've had a play with the HUD settings and wonder what other mobsters use / set there HUD to before it reads other players and gives stats for them? What should I set the "min. amount of hands needed for player stats" If its to low I wont get a true reading of what they do. But if I set it to high I wont get any info for ages ? What do you have yours set to?
Joined: Feb '09
Location: Belgium
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I dont know really well HUD's, but i think with 100 hands you begin to have reliable stats (even if its not totally perfect), then with some more hands you can get some more correct informations. But 100 is already a good start IMO
Joined: Oct '08
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I didnt realise you can set it to only run from a certain amount of hands.
However, you can pick up reads on a player from a very small sample size, so I voted 0. Obviously the higher amount of hands you have them the more you can trust your read.
If you've just started out using a hud you should b more worried about what stats you want it to show. Start very simple with things like, VP$IP PFR and AF and work your up with more stats.
Depends.Playing cash game no many hands are required to see loosers, tighters and more, also because I prefer not to stay too long at same tables so everytime opponents are different.
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Netherlands
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I don't use a HUD, still rely on making notes after 20-30 hands. I always include how many tables are played, read the instant HH, but mostly rely on my instinct for the final decision. Playing NL10 at PP usually 6 of the 8 other players are new to me. The ones that I know are often TAG mt-ers that are easy to read anyway.
Joined: Apr '08
Location: Argentina
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I don't think even 200 can't give you a really honed idea about how someone really plays. Maybe it can give you an idea about how someone plays in a given session, but not much more than that, I think. Imagine yourself, for example. Are you a tilter? If you tilt, you're sure to see a spike over 200 hands
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
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I never used that software but i have some friends who do and i think its about 20 hands. But only the first time, because after that it will be recording info and updating, so you have the more acurate info possible.
Joined: Apr '09
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With 50+ you can get an idea about the player image, but not enough.
With 300 you have a good idea how you opponent is pre-flop (Vpip + PFR) and his AF post-flop. Some other stats need a bigger sample.
The less frequent the situation, the bigger the sample must be. E.g.: A fold vs turn check/raise stat on a NL game, you will need more than 1000 hands to start having an accurate idea.
Another advice, don't relly 100% on stats, specially against good players who adpat and mix it up. Against fishy players they can mean less too because of theirs random nature, but they are fish, so not many dangerous.
My final advice is to keep posting notes on your opponents, a good note can mean more than a stat with 1000 hands sample. Reads and notes + Stats = +++EV.
If I play with a HUD, I always set it to 50 hands for cash games. Less isn't going to give you a good image, and if you go for more, chances are great that many players will have changed tables before you can get any visible stats.
Another way to go, even better, would be to just set it quite low, like 20 hands, BUT sit out and OBSERVE your opponents while you gather those 20 hands. It will give you a chance to make notes and to refine those while the 20 hands are being played. And your observations are as important as the stats !
Joined: Dec '07
Location: Australia
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Posted by xxxbchxxx: What should I set the "min. amount of hands needed for player stats" If its to low I wont get a true reading of what they do. But if I set it to high I wont get any info for ages ? What do you have yours set to?
Personally, I think you need 500+ hands - more like thousands... 200-300 is not a real indicator...
Posted by xxxbchxxx: What should I set the "min. amount of hands needed for player stats" If its to low I wont get a true reading of what they do. But if I set it to high I wont get any info for ages ? What do you have yours set to?
Personally, I think you need 500+ hands - more like thousands... 200-300 is not a real indicator...
Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
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I tend to just run it from the start. BTW iv now got elephant, and must say the HUD is horrid and a bit wrong id say, HEM is much better, but the tracker is nice to use. Even tho I cant put cake HH on either, cant even find a HH converter.
