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4 And what do you say about that there is no evidence of interspecies evolution? And species don`t popped out in one moment as described in Bible they were created steadily so Darwin just made a description of it. But everyone has right to have their opinions.
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is it about , how the universe started from absolute nothing?
I gues, if it started from nothing, the universe had a little problem. how could the universe know if there was anything or not. it could not know, of coulse. there for it would have to mesure for something. to do so, it had to make some partikels or energi, and mesure after other partikels /energi. As we know!! the universe is huge. as we think it is right now, ir is 15 billions years across, og maybe mush bigger. that means the universe, had to wait at least 15 billion years to be shure about the mesurement. ohh no, that whas measuring light energi. there are a lot difference, what speed different energi travel with. like sound: it travel mush slower than light... so the universe could very easy end with measuring more than 15 billion years to find yout if it exist. Modern thinking, measures the time, after movement. that means we have to have something that moves or viblrates or something like that, before we say the time is ticking. A huge mistake. Time is not killed because ve freese an apple in the freezer. it is just the kemikal reaktions, that are freezed, down a little. the rest of the universe is still ticking.
that means, the universe could have ticked for over 15 billions of years, before it all started!!! but, because, the universe had to measure it selv to find uot if it exists it selv, it could have made a falsh measurement, and actualy started the " big bang" by a mistake) remember there was nothing, that means there is no rouls. The universe started with a mistake, you could say. and some of the thinks it made, could not funktion and some of the things worked. you could say, the universe has tryed all posabilities, and some of them worked against each others and other worked together. that way the nature roules started. to say the universe started by a gud, would after my oppinion be a falsh statement. " what / who started the gud then ? remember!!! we started with nothing. Ok if gud is nothing, maybe yes!
The universe has tryed every aspects, and some of them we stabile, ond others were unstable. today we are at a more stabil period, but we dont know what the universe could " invent" in the future. is a black hole another dimension, to the atom world ? or ?
with billions of planets and a lot of novas, we end with heavier partikles like iron. Iron i basic for earth live, you use it for the blod, and other things. to make iron, you need a star that imploded. same way we get all kinds og atoms... That means our tipe of life ( with blod ) could nor start, befor at least i star imploded. i think the fastes ones imploded after about 3½ billion years. and a lot of impoltins after, there af enough iron spred around the univers, that our tipe of life could exist.
then ok, if gud is at least 15 billions of years old, and there is written in the old testament, about paradise, that gud, told us, we have to make our own dessitions, and our own desteny, and he is out of hummans behavier. WHY IN ALL earth do we have to pray?
first line in the old testement: "you have to read the bible as pictures !!!"
and a gud that tells us we are on our own, gud will not interfer.. that shown how litlle the religius ppl understand the bible. it also says that gud har a freeday the 7 day... and we call him from chirch every sunday morning, on guds freeday? how croul we ppl are, to call him og his freeday. i realy understand him, he lets us on our own desteny
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------------ an apple that is freezad for 1 year, is not 1 year younger than its brother apple, they are equal old. one of them is maybe not worth eating, and the other is more like smashed apple inside.
times does not stop near a black hole. the man on his waiy into the black hole, would se the clock ticking as usual, bud the opserver from earth, would se the clock of the man falling into the black hole, af slowed down. that har something to do with doppler efect, and light speed, nor being able to escape a black hole. ( if a black hole could stop time, and a black hole is a hole into atoms dimention.. it could mean, that a black hole today, produses atoms, for the past. maybe posible.., but sounds to wierd for me. ) so i dont belive an anything can stop time. time is clicking an clicking. never stops, never slows down.
But ok, we have a lot of time's. there is earth time, sun time, galacsy time. but there is only 1 real time, and that is universal til. all the others, we call time, is en reality a way to tell, where the eart, ore the sun is positioned in the universe ( movement ) we even use a kvasar ( the rotations) to tell how long a sekund is
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Nice read @victorrius, I was thinking it wa aimd at humans but still a nice read. As for time, its relevent, or actually none existing, its man made like numbers, its not a fact as nothing is ever fact only what we can understand untill "provern" what was fact is infact not. Its impossable (or improbable I should say)to start from noting IMO, thats why I think we have always been, everything must come from something. For EG the big bang happend now we are expanding in to "something" that something was always there. "so the universe could very easy end with measuring more than 15 billion years to find yout if it exist. " So true, is possable that indeed we do not exist. I belive "is a black hole another dimension" that it is not anouther dimention but anouther universe, inside of it would be a universe just like ours and from there universe they would see ours as a blak hole, dark matter takes up so much of space. If We ca find out what dark matter is problems would be solved. Its quite possable that one day the universe uses up all matter availabl and will then collapse in on its self, a reverse big bang if you like. Time would go backwards!!
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I am nowadays living believing in Darwin and in what he discovered: he studied lots of species and found out they were the same, only with little differences according to the place on Earth where they have developed. Just like light brown, dark brown, yellow and red persons: we are just different because of the place where we (our ancesters) have developed. Today that doesnt seem to care a lot because we are all mixed, but thats the only reason for us to have different colours. Darwin must have been real crazy hein?
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Posted by duck_1991: Poker players do not thrust in god ? only 3 religious mobsters ? interesting poll
This is not right, its just that i can't believe in "intelligent design" and in a popped creation. For me, there is something, some kind of power (you call it God if you want), its just that i don't know exactly how it act, and i think its normal... as human, we can't understand this
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Posted by Tchungpo:
Posted by duck_1991: Poker players do not thrust in god ? only 3 religious mobsters ? interesting poll
This is not right, its just that i can't believe in "intelligent design" and in a popped creation. For me, there is something, some kind of power (you call it God if you want), its just that i don't know exactly how it act, and i think its normal... as human, we can't understand this
The evolution is like the universe we don't know how it appear's.And qhen or if it will end
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4) mutations imo, i believe that Lamarck was right, and there's a very interesting book about it, explaining that Lamarck's experiments were secretely screwed by darwinists and he suicided after that because he thought he was wrong, so i believe in Lamarck, also because i find it more logical
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this is a from Semjase the contact of Billy Meier...
A Chronology of Earth History
On many occasions, Billy was allowed to learn many things about our history. It is important that we know where we came from, where our family originated and what our ties are. We have been cut off from our history. Many of us at this time on this planet know that we have lived on other worlds. The following chronology of Earth history dates back more than 22 million years and should bring a few memories to some and fascination to all.
In the Ring Nebula of Lyra we find the origin of man dating back as far as Pleiadian history extends. The ancient Lyra seems to be the oldest home of human life as we know it. 22 million years ago ancient Lyrian travelers first came into our system and built a colony. Since these were the first attempts at space travel for them it took a long time to reach Earth. Upon first arriving they recorded the existence of very primitive human beings here. Over the course of the next few thousand years many expeditions were made.
The ancient Lyrians were titans, 20 to 30 feet tall, from a planet much greater than ours. They were white skinned with white or blond hair and usually had blue eyes. They were a warlike race who grew in the power and control of spiritual energies over the next few million years. They moved their forces around the galaxy taking control of many thousands of less developed races. It was normal for Lyrians to take over less developed races by force. Over the years the Lyrian blood line chain began to mix with other races they had conquered and created many different colors of races which spread throughout the galaxy.
The Destroyer Comet found its way into the Lyrian family of planets and 2/3 of their race was killed. Their civilization was destroyed and then went through a time of rebuilding. After restoring themselves to normal they built flight machines with beamdrive and once again moved into the cosmos. Their leaders were great scientists with the understanding of spiritual power, so once again they began to conquer other races. Their leaders soon realized the unlimited powers of the spiritual forces and developed them until they became masters of the powers, becoming what they call an ISHWISH (IHWH) meaning 'god' or 'king or wisdom'.
The Ishwish leaders ruled with cruel power and eventually the public started a civil uprising. The war lasted for four centuries and over 60% of the population was destroyed. three worlds of the Lyra system were dissolved. No one in the Lyra and Vega systems escaped this great war 230,000 years ago. An Ishwish named Asael fled from the wars with 360,000 people in 183 great spacers and 250 space reconnaissance ships. This group of Lyrians wandered through space for many years until they came across a star system with 254 still young, blue suns. There were already a few colonized planets there. They landed and built their new world. After settling on three different worlds, it took 300 years for their civilization to grow and get comfortable in their new environment.
Asael then commanded that they start to explore and conquer again. It took 17 years for them to reach the system known as the HESPERIDES. A young form of human life was there and they fell under Asael's rule. 70 years later Asael died and his daughter Pleja, an Ishrish, took power. She ordered the exploration ships to again seek out new worlds. By following the trail of the destroyer comet which contained debris from ancient Lyra, they came again into the Sol system of Earth. three different planets came under their power. Earth, Mars and Milona.
After a few years war again raged on Earth and many of the scientists left to return to Pleja, leaving the three planets to grow on their own.
The three planets existed without leadership for over 30,000 years. The scientists of Pleja occasionally looked in on Earth as the technology developed and man turned against man again. This also happened on Mars and Milona. Wars raged on Earth and the leaders of Pleja ordered a stop to it and the Earth was evacuated. Milona lasted in peace for another 40 years before falling into to wars which destroyed the entire planet and became the asteroid belt. The blast pushed Mars out of its orbit and into the one it travels in now. Over the next 80,000 years many attempts were made at small colonization's but none lasted. On many occasions, groups of renegades were expelled to Earth. It even served as a prison colony for a while.
The Great Plan
60,000 years ago, from the Pleja system, again came settlers from the stars. It was decided to colonize Earth and hundreds of great spacers with thousands of people came and built up a civilization that lasted 6000 years before the scientists again made war. This war was so major it left the Earth with nearly no life forms. There was then a period when savages roamed the Earth. Around 50,000 years ago, the Ishwish Pelegon came. War was raging on the three home planets in the Pleja system so, Pelegon decided to flee and took 70,000 people, including 200 scientists, and came to Earth. As the Earth grew under the leadership of Pelegon's 200 sub-leaders, the worst war of all time was taking place on the homeworlds. The Earth men were in awe of the great power of the Ishwish Pelegon, who ruled over all the continents of Earth. He became known as the 'god' or 'king of wisdom'.
Finally, in the Plejas' the spiritual leaders were able to overtake the scientists and peace reigned at last. The people learned to trust in the truths of Creation and the knowledge and wisdom of the spiritual laws. For 8000 years the Pleja nations developed themselves to a very high spiritual level and they still live by those standards today.
Nothing was known on Earth of the Peace in the Plejades. Pelegon was total ruler and for the first time in 300,000 years, Earth was living peacefully and growing. All continents of Earth were inhabited. This great civilization lasted for 10,000 years before a new Ishwish by the name of Jesas came into power by murdering the follower of Pelegon.
Jesas was only in power for 20 years when the people rose up against him and war broke out again. Hundreds of thousands of people fled to the stars known as Beta Centuries. (Barnard Stars) Total destruction came once again and Earth fell into savagery.
Atlantis
For 7,000 years the Earth was avoided until the descendants of the refugees to Beta Centuries returned led by the Ishwish Atlant, who, with his wife Karyatide, built the continent of Atlantis. Karyatide built smaller Atlantis in the Mediterranean, while her father, Muras, built the gigantic city of MU, which later was named Lemuria.
The cities were built far apart in order to help peace. Along with MU were built the underground cities of Agharta, Alpha and Beta. 18,000 years of peace between the two nations lasted until some scientists, thirsty for power, rose up and threatened the peace. The people would not have it and drove them out. The scientists and their followers fled into space 15,000 years ago. 2,000 years of peace again went by while the exiled scientists schemed for revenge.
On Beta Centuries they built up great power and increased their life span out of hatred for those on Earth. They attacked Earth, led by the evil Ishwish Arus, intending to destroy Atlantis and Mu. Robbing, murdering and only able to take over small regions of land they settled in the northern Hyperborea. The land was a part of Florida which was positioned in the north before the shift in the Earth's axis.
Arus' son, Arus II, continued to attack taking control of India, Pakistan and Persia, where they met the Sumarians, a peace loving people who fled to the north. The Sumerians were dark, tall and the descendants of the Sirians who first settled on Earth at the same time that ATLANT started Atlantis. India was called Arya. After a few centuries Arya split from Arus and made alliance with Mu and Agharta. These small wars lasted another 1500 years. Arus was old and dying but he succeeded in infiltrating his leaders into Atlantis and Mu causing enough dissension to begin the talk of war.
By the thousands they fled Atlantis and Mu and returned to the Pleja's for safety. The war instruments of Atlantis and Mu were of very large size and power. The army of Atlantis contained 4.83 million fighters in large ships plus 123,000 small spacer pilots and 16, 431 remote ships equipped with the most sophisticated heat dissolving beams. They also had 24,230 overkill beams in medium class ships. But even with all this power MU was superior in technology and boasted weapons of greater power. The scientists of MU, knowing of the coming events ordered a fleet into the asteroid belt where one of the largest asteroids was affixed with a power drive system so that it could be hurled at Earth. As the attack of Atlantis started, the leaders on MU ordered the giant asteroid to be launched but it was too late to save MU. The Atlantean fleet dissolved the city of MU instantly.
All traces of MU were melted and is evident by the smooth, flat ground in the Gobi desert where it once stood. Rapidly, the giant asteroid was steered toward Earth with the dedicated pilots attached to it. Some leaders and scientists of Atlantis detected the oncoming asteroid and fled into space but it was too late for the rest. The asteroid hit the atmosphere, burst up like a supernova generating heat of over 34,000 degrees. The continent of Atlantis melted below the heat within seconds. The asteroid exploded less than 110 miles up and in a thousand small pieces hit the Earth like a shotgun. The Atlantic Ocean was broken and volcanoes erupted and the sea boiled. Water from the ocean hurled upward to heights of 70 miles. A tidal wave over four miles high swept over the land masses. It was exactly the year 9498 B.C., June six that great Atlantis sunk below the Ocean.
Soon after the war of revenge by Arus he was murdered by his third son, Jehoven, who seized power over the Aryans and the three remaining nations of life on Earth.
First Nation: The descendants of the Armus people who lived in the area known as Armenia since 33,000 years ago. They were immigrants from the Pleja system.
Second Nation: The scattered tribes of Persia, India and Pakistan, who were known as the Aryans at that time.
Third Nation: A world-wide spread of Gypsies who were spies, murderers called Hebrews which , in the ancient language of the PLEJAS was HEBRONS. This name meant the dregs of society.
The Gypsies of today are not the same.
Jehavon governed until 7,000 years ago, until he was murdered by his only son Jehav, who, like his father, called himself the creator of man. During this time, a group of 160,000 Great Aryans deserted the rule of Jehav and wandered through the lands to the east and moved into the area between the Caspian Sea and the Arahat Mountain. This area was full of the descendants of the Sumarians who led the local people with great discipline because of their highly developed knowledge of spiritual powers.
The Aryans attacked and pressed the people under bondage and created a new state. Deprived of all techniques, the Aryans soon began to mingle with the natives and all previous talent and knowledge soon disappeared and was forgotten forever. 3320 years ago Jehav was murdered by his first son Arussem.
He also had tow other sons named Salam and Ptaah. Ptaah and Salam were more peaceful in nature and stood up against Arussem and was driven away with his followers. Arussem secretly returned and hid in an underground city below the Gizeh pyramid. He and his followers made plans to take over the world by leading many people astray through wrong teachings and religious delusion. Ptaah and Salam governed together and created peace. Ptaah was stricken by a disease and died in his 93rd year leaving Salam to rule and he did so until be became old and weak and turned the rule over to his son Plejos.
Plejos was a peaceful ruler and had aligned himself with the High Council of the Pleja system. Arrusem, mean while, governed his band of wicked followers called the Bafath in Egypt until 3010 years ago. He was taken over by a wicked leader named Henn, who the Hebrons called again Jehova He was known as 'the cruel one' to his followers. In the year 2080 b.c Henn was overthrown by a new leader named Kamagol I. Being cut off from their society, their technology was failing and their life spans dwindling.
Kamagol II was even more wicked than his father. He not only took over control but put his father in a deep dark dungeon and left him there for years until he died.
Kamagol II was one of the last long-living leaders and died in 1975 leaving 2100 of his evil followers behind. By this time the Bafath, deprived of most of their technology were in control of 723 Earth people through telepathic means. This was their last hope for controlling Earth. Meanwhile, Plejos, the last Pleja system leader on Earth was informed of the peace agreement between the Pleja system and the High Council of Andromeda. A new area of spiritual growth and peace had come to the Plejas. Plejos and his followers wanted to return to their home system. It was decided to leave a prophet who could carry on the truth. Plejos ordered that a Truth Announcer would be born and educated.
This human was called Jmmanuel. He lived for 105 years and brought the truth to all he could through his teachings. In the year 182, his name was changed to Jesus Christ and his teachings were re-written to form the religious power structure that rules today.
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Posted by Yuki555: 4) mutations imo, i believe that Lamarck was right, and there's a very interesting book about it, explaining that Lamarck's experiments were secretely screwed by darwinists and he suicided after that because he thought he was wrong, so i believe in Lamarck, also because i find it more logical
So you must believe that if your father have some big muscles, youll have for sure have big muscles ! For me, Lamarck is important because he just introduce the concept of importance of the environnement of species for evolution ! but i dont think his theory was completly correct
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Darwins explanation of the evolution of all species on earth is the simplest and best , and is supported by a mountain of evidence ( much of that evidence coming from fields not studied in the mid 19th century,such as genetics).
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